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Scott Vernon October 20th 04 03:03 PM

That's Baltimore for you.


"Nav" wrote in message
...
Nice pollution!

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:
No. Jon, look at this pic.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG
do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch
handle?

Scotty


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

It's certainly a possibility, but it's more likely that it would


come

off the handle don't you think?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."








Thom Stewart October 20th 04 03:43 PM

Jon,

Picky, picky!!!!

Read the rest of the report. Would you have let a screwed up lock on a
winch handle ruin that trip?

Use your brain for something more than negative thoughts. Look at that
bank of winches. Do you really think Scotty isn't going to get that
handle out of there. A Jammed handle and a coil of line that size is a
temporary thing. At best!!

Ole Thom


Scott Vernon October 20th 04 03:45 PM

That ain't cabbage.
;)


"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Uh, OK, keep checking under those cabbage plants...they'll

show up any day!

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Uh, yeah, you did. You owe me for a new winch and

handle.

Scotty

"Seahag" wrote:
Hope we didn't break it:^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Yes Dad. I just realized it when I was closing up

the boat and
couldn't get it out. It was raining so I didn't mess

with it.

I'll still leave it in while sailing.










Joe October 20th 04 03:58 PM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote


Hey Scotty Great sounding and looking trip.
I agree that fall is the best time of year to sail.


Yes sir, best sailing and sleeping weather!


Good fishing and the Harvest moon week. We are going to go out to the
edge of the Gulf stream and troll for King Makerel, Ling, Tuna,Dolphin
ect soon.




Did you ever get out of the site of land?


No. Had to scrap that plan. Maybe next year.


Is mundo really a bully and an ass?



No, he's a sweetheart of a guy, fed me and even did my laundry for me.


Thought so.




Hows Seahags wooden leg project going?



Not so good, evertime she's just about done with it, the dog carries
it off and buries it, or drops it in the water.


Mr hag needs a shaper knife to whittle faster I guess.



I just got back from a road trip. Went to Oklahoma and bought a

1961
Ford Econoline pickup that was sitting in a barn since 81. It was a
bitch on the highway with the granny gears.... 500 miles at 53
MPH..But hey nothing is going to catch it in the 1/4 mile run. Still
all original.. even the paint.

http://www.lovefords.org/galleries/m...ry_special.jpg

I seem to remember you have a classic truck right?


Ugh! those things are UGLY. There's one around here, I thought the
guy made it himself from an Econoline van.



Well coming from a squirty cheese chef I will take your UGLY
discription with a grain of salt.


I have a '53 Chevy PU.
Haven't touched it since I got the boat.


To many irons in the fire?

Scotty


Joe

Scott Vernon October 20th 04 04:05 PM


"Joe" wrote

Good fishing and the Harvest moon week. We are

going to go out to the
edge of the Gulf stream and troll for King

Makerel, Ling, Tuna,Dolphin
ect soon.



Cool!



Hows Seahags wooden leg project going?



Not so good, evertime she's just about done

with it, the dog carries
it off and buries it, or drops it in the

water.


Mr hag needs a shaper knife to whittle faster I

guess.


Problem is, everytime he starts working on it, he
gets...er....ah....distracted.
;)




I have a '53 Chevy PU.
Haven't touched it since I got the boat.


To many irons in the fire?



Yes!

Scotty



Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 06:21 PM

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
ganz is gay?
gf.


No, but it's pretty clear you are.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 06:21 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"gonefishiing" wrote ...
ganz is gay.
gf.



you sure?



He sure is hoping.





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 06:22 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

One minute you can't get
it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull.

If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain an

Albatross
could swoop down and pull the handle straight off.


I've know albatrosses and you're no albatross... wait, that didn't
come out right.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 06:24 PM

In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
Jon,

Picky, picky!!!!


I'm allowed... This is a picky crowd.

Read the rest of the report. Would you have let a screwed up lock on a
winch handle ruin that trip?


Of course.

Use your brain for something more than negative thoughts. Look at that
bank of winches. Do you really think Scotty isn't going to get that
handle out of there. A Jammed handle and a coil of line that size is a
temporary thing. At best!!


Don't know. He hasn't claimed it was temporary.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 06:25 PM

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
fall off?
your kidding?
if that line fell off, it's not a line in the water you need to worry about.
you may think about the need to activate the epirb. :)
gf.


Perhaps that's what you do when the boat heels on a sudden 40 kts
gust?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Scott Vernon October 20th 04 09:01 PM


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote in message Use your brain for something
more than negative thoughts. Look at that
bank of winches. Do you really think Scotty

isn't going to get that
handle out of there. A Jammed handle and a coil

of line that size is a
temporary thing. At best!!


Don't know. He hasn't claimed it was temporary.



It is temporary.

Scotty



Scott Vernon October 20th 04 09:03 PM

Jon, I had the rail buried quite a bit on two
days. No problem.

SV


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote in message
...
In article ,

gonefishiing wrote:
fall off?
your kidding?
if that line fell off, it's not a line in the

water you need to worry about.
you may think about the need to activate the

epirb. :)
gf.


Perhaps that's what you do when the boat heels

on a sudden 40 kts
gust?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 09:39 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote in message Use your brain for something
more than negative thoughts. Look at that
bank of winches. Do you really think Scotty

isn't going to get that
handle out of there. A Jammed handle and a coil

of line that size is a
temporary thing. At best!!


Don't know. He hasn't claimed it was temporary.



It is temporary.


Well ok then. g



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 20th 04 09:40 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Jon, I had the rail buried quite a bit on two
days. No problem.

SV


Well, that's fun, but that's only part of the picture.
One can bury the rail in relatively light wind if you
try. High winds could easily pick up the line don't you
think?

I'm not trying to make something out of nothing. It's just nice to
have a non-political discussion. :-)

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Thom Stewart October 20th 04 10:23 PM

Hey Scott,

If you're going to get another handle, I'd like to suggest a floater.
That is what I did about 4 years ago. It is a little longer and painted
Red. My crew always looks for that handle, we haven't lost a handle
since. In calm conditions I've used it for a MOB drill. It sharpens the
look-outs eyes and the crews response now that thet know th replacement
cost.

Ole Thom



Thom Stewart October 20th 04 10:44 PM

gf.,

Don't know if Jon is gay or not BUT I do know he is "QUEER" I'm not
talking sex, I talking about his mental responses!

Queer as a $3.00 bill

Ole Thom


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 12:26 AM

In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
gf.,

Don't know if Joe is gay or not BUT I do know he is "QUEER" I'm not
talking sex, I talking about his mental responses!

Queer as a $3.00 bill

Ole Thom


Tom,

Joe is definitely gay. GF probably is also. They keep mentioning it.






--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Horvath October 21st 04 12:29 AM

On 20 Oct 2004 07:58:03 -0700, (Joe) wrote
this crap:


Good fishing and the Harvest moon week. We are going to go out to the
edge of the Gulf stream and troll for King Makerel, Ling, Tuna,Dolphin
ect soon.



I'm going to the strip club, and troll for groapers.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon October 21st 04 02:19 AM


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

High winds could easily pick up the line don't

you
think?


NO.



I'm not trying to make something out of nothing.


Too late.




Scott Vernon October 21st 04 02:22 AM

You making a list?


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

Don't know if Joe is gay or not BUT I do know

he is "QUEER" I'm not
talking sex, I talking about his mental

responses!

Queer as a $3.00 bill


Joe is definitely gay. GF probably is also. They

keep mentioning it.




Scott Vernon October 21st 04 02:23 AM

Thom, I had one of those red floaters, but lost
it, not in the water, on the road when I had the
Mac. I think I will get another one. I believe
they come in blue, also.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in
message

et...
Hey Scott,

If you're going to get another handle, I'd like

to suggest a floater.
That is what I did about 4 years ago. It is a

little longer and painted
Red. My crew always looks for that handle, we

haven't lost a handle
since. In calm conditions I've used it for a MOB

drill. It sharpens the
look-outs eyes and the crews response now that

thet know th replacement
cost.

Ole Thom





Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 03:04 AM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

High winds could easily pick up the line don't

you
think?


NO.


Well, you'd be wrong. I've seen line whip a winch handle out of a
pocket and throw it overboard.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 03:04 AM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
You making a list?


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

Don't know if Joe is gay or not BUT I do know

he is "QUEER" I'm not
talking sex, I talking about his mental

responses!

Queer as a $3.00 bill


Joe is definitely gay. GF probably is also. They

keep mentioning it.


I think gf is.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


gonefishiing October 21st 04 04:08 AM

jon,
i take sailing seriously..........in a relative sort of way
but not to the point where i am neurotic about it.

you really should experiment with a sense of humor
trust me on this one..............it helps in life.

gay? no sorry....not me.
and i really don't give a damn if you are or are not

although it would be great if you would just quit your're constant bitchin
and whining.
but than again, i quess you add one of the colors to this newsgroup.
so be it.

gf.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
fall off?
your kidding?
if that line fell off, it's not a line in the water you need to worry
about.
you may think about the need to activate the epirb. :)
gf.


Perhaps that's what you do when the boat heels on a sudden 40 kts
gust?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




gonefishiing October 21st 04 04:46 AM

1st gay response without an answer
gf.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Fags, I mean flags, in Horass' case.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
won what?


"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:40:36 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

the lock has failed. I can't get the handle out.


Then the terrorists have won.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!








gonefishiing October 21st 04 04:46 AM

2nd gay response without an answer
gf.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Thom, you're not thinking clearly. If you're sailing and you need to
start the engine, then you discover there's a line in the water, you
could be in trouble. It's not a matter of hanging there or being
underfoot. Neither is acceptable.

I've seen them come out. I've seen people fall on winches, but
never on the handles (because they were removed).

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

Not thinking to well. If there is that much line on the handle the Main
must be up. If it is up, probably means your sailing. (No engine) Line
over the side should be no problem. better than walking over it in the
cockpit or getting your feet tangled in it

I'm inclined to agree with you about the handle left in the winch. I was
taught that, but that was about Sheet winches, which are more active
winches. It has carried over on to all winches. In all honesty,Jon, I've
lost more handles in the act off inserting and removing them from the
winches. In fact, in 58 years of sailing I can't remember ever losing a
winch handle any other way. Can you? I've lost my share of them too!!

Ole Thom






gonefishiing October 21st 04 04:47 AM

4th
gf.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
You making a list?


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

Don't know if Joe is gay or not BUT I do know

he is "QUEER" I'm not
talking sex, I talking about his mental

responses!

Queer as a $3.00 bill

Joe is definitely gay. GF probably is also. They

keep mentioning it.


I think gf is.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




gonefishiing October 21st 04 04:47 AM

5th
and you responded to your own post
gf.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
You making a list?


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

Don't know if Joe is gay or not BUT I do know

he is "QUEER" I'm not
talking sex, I talking about his mental

responses!

Queer as a $3.00 bill

Joe is definitely gay. GF probably is also. They

keep mentioning it.


I think gf is.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




gonefishiing October 21st 04 04:47 AM

7th
gf.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"gonefishiing" wrote ...
ganz is gay.
gf.



you sure?



He sure is hoping.





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




Scott Vernon October 21st 04 04:00 PM


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

Well, you'd be wrong. I've seen line whip a

winch handle out of a
pocket and throw it overboard.


From a wind gust? Jon, LSD went out with the
'70s.

SV



Scott Vernon October 21st 04 04:06 PM


OzOne wrote in messag

You blue/green colour blind?



No. are you?

S



Scott Vernon October 21st 04 04:48 PM

So, Jon, where do you stow your winch handles?

SV


"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote in message Use your brain for

something
more than negative thoughts. Look at that
bank of winches. Do you really think Scotty

isn't going to get that
handle out of there. A Jammed handle and a

coil
of line that size is a
temporary thing. At best!!

Don't know. He hasn't claimed it was

temporary.


It is temporary.


Well ok then. g



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




Thom Stewart October 21st 04 05:30 PM

Yeah Scott,

Jon is talking about a Jib winch for a 150 Genny, with a non-locking
winch handle fouled in a sheet line, on a non-tailing winch. Actually
he's never really seen it, just heard about it, somewhere, and taken it
for his own experience.

He is correct though, I have to admit, it is a lot better than a damn
political post.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:29 PM

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
jon,
i take sailing seriously..........in a relative sort of way
but not to the point where i am neurotic about it.


Really? Could have fooled us!

you really should experiment with a sense of humor
trust me on this one..............it helps in life.


Why should I when we have people like you?

gay? no sorry....not me.


Now, now, don't be shy. You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

and i really don't give a damn if you are or are not


See previous.

although it would be great if you would just quit your're constant bitchin
and whining.
but than again, i quess you add one of the colors to this newsgroup.
so be it.


Which whining is that? You seem to be keeping close tabs on it. Do
tell.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:30 PM

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
2nd gay response without an answer
gf.


Please identify the gay part of the response.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Thom, you're not thinking clearly. If you're sailing and you need to
start the engine, then you discover there's a line in the water, you
could be in trouble. It's not a matter of hanging there or being
underfoot. Neither is acceptable.

I've seen them come out. I've seen people fall on winches, but
never on the handles (because they were removed).

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:31 PM

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
7th
gf.


Now I get it... you're gay. Talk to Horass. He's really interested.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:31 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz"
wrote

Well, you'd be wrong. I've seen line whip a

winch handle out of a
pocket and throw it overboard.


From a wind gust? Jon, LSD went out with the
'70s.


Perhaps you've never sailed in conditions where 40kt gust happen
without much warning.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:32 PM

In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
Yeah Scott,

Jon is talking about a Jib winch for a 150 Genny, with a non-locking
winch handle fouled in a sheet line, on a non-tailing winch. Actually
he's never really seen it, just heard about it, somewhere, and taken it
for his own experience.


No. I'm talking about a jib winch for a 90% jib, with a locking handle
who's lock has failed.

He is correct though, I have to admit, it is a lot better than a damn
political post.


Bush sucks. :-)

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:35 PM

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
So, Jon, where do you stow your winch handles?

SV


In the winch... just kidding.

We have pockets for them. Mostly, we try not to use them except when
raising sails. I teach on a 30' boat (mostly) and I try to get
students to think ahead; thus, there's little need for a handle unless
it's a trim issue. We typically don't use a handle when
tacking. Sometimes when gybing, but not always. Depends on the
conditions.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Jonathan Ganz October 21st 04 06:36 PM

In article , OzOne wrote:
On 21 Oct 2004 10:30:28 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) scribbled thusly:

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
2nd gay response without an answer
gf.


Please identify the gay part of the response.


Sorry, can't resist!
"Jonathan Ganz"
:-)


Hahaha... good one. One point for Oz for humor
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."



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