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Assuming you noticed. If it's an emergency, you might not notice until it
was too late. Also, it's pretty lubberly to have a line trailing in the water when you don't intend to trail a line. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... Thom, you're not thinking clearly. If you're sailing and you need to start the engine, then you discover there's a line in the water, you would take it out of the water? |
There are several solutions. We typically coil the line around an unused
winch or put it in a bag designed for that. Or, some boats have tie downs for that purpose. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... where? "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It's not a good way. A good way is to have it properly stowed. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Why? is a good question. For a layout that brings all lines back to the Cockpit, that is a good way to keep loose line out of the way That is a neat layout of winches. How about telling us about them, Scotty? Ole Thom |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... There are several solutions. We typically coil the line around an unused winch but what if the line fell off the winch and into the water, then, when you start your engine?????? or put it in a bag designed for that. Or, some boats have tie downs for that purpose. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... where? "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It's not a good way. A good way is to have it properly stowed. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Why? is a good question. For a layout that brings all lines back to the Cockpit, that is a good way to keep loose line out of the way That is a neat layout of winches. How about telling us about them, Scotty? Ole Thom |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Assuming you noticed. If it's an emergency, you might not notice until it was too late. Also, it's pretty lubberly to have a line trailing in the water when you don't intend to trail a line. I agree. That's why I coil mine and hang it on a winch handle where it is safe and secure. Scotty |
Great Photos Scotty ,,,,, thanks.
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wrote Is anyone surprised that binary billspit thinks winch handles are made by the boat builder? The boat builder didn't manufacture much besides the hull and some parts of the interior. The rest of the boat is basically what the builder selected from other suppliers to meet a price point, and C&C doesn't do this? which is why your Seidlemann is loaded down with the cheapest gear that could be found. OH, Lewmar winches are cheap gear? |
which is why your Seidlemann is loaded down
with the cheapest gear that could be found. OH, Lewmar winches are cheap gear? Among the lowest cost winches at that time, yes. RB |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Crap! I forgot the pics in the first post. Hey Scotty Great sounding and looking trip. I agree that fall is the best time of year to sail. Did you ever get out of the site of land? Is mundo really a bully and an ass? Hows Seahags wooden project going? I just got back from a road trip. Went to Oklahoma and bought a 1961 Ford Econoline pickup that was sitting in a barn since 81. It was a bitch on the highway with the granny gears.... 500 miles at 53 MPH..But hey nothing is going to catch it in the 1/4 mile run. Still all original.. even the paint. http://www.lovefords.org/galleries/m...ry_special.jpg I seem to remember you have a classic truck right? Joe I've always said that Fall is the best time to sail the Chesapeake Bay. I had some absolutely beautiful weather, and only had to sail in rain twice, for less than an hour each time. great winds, too. Here's a log book style trip report; Oct. 3 - Sunday, needed four dock carts to carry all the 'junk' to the boat. Met a guy who was crying because his wife had sold his boat. Sad! Very light wind, made only 2 miles and decided to anchor. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG Oct. 4 - Monday, weigh anchor 1000, light wind, picked up in afternoon. nice sunny day. Lost hat, did MOB drill and recovered it. Anchored in Selby Bay, 2130 (39 NM) Good first day. Oct. 5 - Tue. NOAA calling for 20-25 kt wind. yeehaw! Up anchor 1000. See sailboat heeled over hard on sand bar, get too close while looking, ground on bar. Sheet in tight, heel over , get free. How embarrassing. Wind was around 20, South. made for a tiring downwind ride trying to counter steer the large following waves. Arrive at Solomons Island , press starter button, ...nothing. The main battery cable broke off above the terminal end. Jump with spare wire to get started, anchor at 1630. (45 NM) Oct. 6 - Wed., Fix cable end, weigh anchor 1100. moderate, 5-10 wind. Gorgeous day. Got chased off of firing range by a Navy boat. At sundown saw a shore side house burn down. Anchor in Smith Creek, off the Potomac River 2100. (39 NM) Oct. 7 - Thur., Slept till noon! Pull anchor 1400. Very little wind. Picked up nicely after sunset. Was one of those perfect nights for sailing, nice breeze, billions of stars out, sailed till 0100 Fri. morn. Tied up to work dock on Tangier Island (VA). (35 NM) Sunset; http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/639756.JPG Tangier Island; http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/73220.JPG Oct. 8 - Fri., If you look up the word 'quaint' in the dictionary, there should be a pic of Tangier Island. friendly folk. Decided to get a slip ($20, includes elect. water, showers) and tourist it up for the day. Wonder who's buried here; http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/734565.JPG Oct. 9 - Sat., Leave slip 0945. Light wind, but another gorgeous day. Arrive Onancock VA, 1400. Hook up with Mundo (of asa fame) and visit for the day. (12 NM) Oct. 10 - Sunday, leave dock 0900, wind blowing 15-20 North, I want to go north. Big waves. bury the bow 3 times, 2 rouge waves break on the beam and I'm soaked. Luckily it was still warm out. wild ride. Can't make much north progress. Duck into Great Wicomico River and up the Cockrell Creek to anchor. (46 NM) Oct. 11 - Mon., NOAA calling for the winds to die down some later in the day, I wait till 1500 to pull out. Was a good decision. Arrive Smith Creek at 2400 (36 NM) Oct. 12 - Tue., Weigh anchor 0800 , 10-15 North winds again. Sail into Little Choptank River and up Hudson Creek, drop anchor 0100. (69 NM) Oct. 13 - Wed., Calling for rain in the afternoon. Weigh anchor 0730, Sun and clouds, rained for an hour , then sunny again. Nice wind. Arrive Annapolis 1500. Meet up with 'old' friends. (35 NM) Oct. 14 - Thur., Sail out to watch the Schooner Race with Haggy and Mr. Hag as crew. Perfect day for a sail. Some really great looking schooners. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/124025.JPG http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/340688.JPG http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/202096.JPG http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/982666.jpg http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/497594.JPG http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/868810.jpg http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/505576.jpg http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/827120.JPG http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/235312.JPG Oct. 15 - Fri., hang out in Annapolis Oct. 16 - Sat., Calling for 20 kts sustained with gusts to 30, BUT from the south. I'm headed north. leave 1000, making 6-6.5 knots hitting 7.7 surfing down waves. Arrive at home slip, Middle River, 1500. (29 NM) The last half mile was sad as I realized it was coming to an end. Great weather, great sailing. What a great 2 weeks! Scotty |
"Joe" wrote
Hey Scotty Great sounding and looking trip. I agree that fall is the best time of year to sail. Yes sir, best sailing and sleeping weather! Did you ever get out of the site of land? No. Had to scrap that plan. Maybe next year. Is mundo really a bully and an ass? No, he's a sweetheart of a guy, fed me and even did my laundry for me. Hows Seahags wooden leg project going? Not so good, evertime she's just about done with it, the dog carries it off and buries it, or drops it in the water. I just got back from a road trip. Went to Oklahoma and bought a 1961 Ford Econoline pickup that was sitting in a barn since 81. It was a bitch on the highway with the granny gears.... 500 miles at 53 MPH..But hey nothing is going to catch it in the 1/4 mile run. Still all original.. even the paint. http://www.lovefords.org/galleries/m...ry_special.jpg I seem to remember you have a classic truck right? Ugh! those things are UGLY. There's one around here, I thought the guy made it himself from an Econoline van. I have a '53 Chevy PU. Haven't touched it since I got the boat. Scotty |
Hey Scott,
It was great getting up with you. Could not make it up for the schooner race start. Way too much going on here. -- Mundo "The Captain who is a bully and an ass" &*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... I've always said that Fall is the best time to sail the Chesapeake Bay. I had some absolutely beautiful weather, and only had to sail in rain twice, for less than an hour each time. great winds, too. Here's a log book style trip report; Oct. 3 - Sunday, needed four dock carts to carry all the 'junk' to the boat. Met a guy who was crying because his wife had sold his boat. Sad! Very light wind, made only 2 miles and decided to anchor. Oct. 4 - Monday, weigh anchor 1000, light wind, picked up in afternoon. nice sunny day. Lost hat, did MOB drill and recovered it. Anchored in Selby Bay, 2130 (39 NM) Good first day. Oct. 5 - Tue. NOAA calling for 20-25 kt wind. yeehaw! Up anchor 1000. See sailboat heeled over hard on sand bar, get too close while looking, ground on bar. Sheet in tight, heel over , get free. How embarrassing. Wind was around 20, South. made for a tiring downwind ride trying to counter steer the large following waves. Arrive at Solomons Island , press starter button, ...nothing. The main battery cable broke off above the terminal end. Jump with spare wire to get started, anchor at 1630. (45 NM) Oct. 6 - Wed., Fix cable end, weigh anchor 1100. moderate, 5-10 wind. Gorgeous day. Got chased off of firing range by a Navy boat. At sundown saw a shore side house burn down. Anchor in Smith Creek, off the Potomac River 2100. (39 NM) Oct. 7 - Thur., Slept till noon! Pull anchor 1400. Very little wind. Picked up nicely after sunset. Was one of those perfect nights for sailing, nice breeze, billions of stars out, sailed till 0100 Fri. morn. Tied up to work dock on Tangier Island (VA). (35 NM) Oct. 8 - Fri., If you look up the word 'quaint' in the dictionary, there should be a pic of Tangier Island. friendly folk. Decided to get a slip ($20, includes elect. water, showers) and tourist it up for the day. Oct. 9 - Sat., Leave slip 0945. Light wind, but another gorgeous day. Arrive Onancock VA, 1400. Hook up with Mundo (of asa fame) and visit for the day. (12 NM) Oct. 10 - Sunday, leave dock 0900, wind blowing 15-20 North, I want to go north. Big waves. bury the bow 3 times, 2 rouge waves break on the beam and I'm soaked. Luckily it was still warm out. wild ride. Can't make much north progress. Duck into Great Wicomico River and up the Cockrell Creek to anchor. (46 NM) Oct. 11 - Mon., NOAA calling for the winds to die down some later in the day, I wait till 1500 to pull out. Was a good decision. Arrive Smith Creek at 2400 (36 NM) Oct. 12 - Tue., Weigh anchor 0800 , 10-15 North winds again. Sail into Little Choptank River and up Hudson Creek, drop anchor 0100. (69 NM) Oct. 13 - Wed., Calling for rain in the afternoon. Weigh anchor 0730, Sun and clouds, rained for an hour , then sunny again. Nice wind. Arrive Annapolis 1500. Meet up with 'old' friends. (35 NM) Oct. 14 - Thur., Sail out to watch the Schooner Race with Haggy and Mr. Hag as crew. Perfect day for a sail. Some really great looking schooners. Oct. 15 - Fri., hang out in Annapolis Oct. 16 - Sat., Calling for 20 kts sustained with gusts to 30, BUT from the south. I'm headed north. leave 1000, making 6-6.5 knots hitting 7.7 surfing down waves. Arrive at home slip, Middle River, 1500. (29 NM) The last half mile was sad as I realized it was coming to an end. Great weather, great sailing. What a great 2 weeks! Scotty |
What does this have to do with a winch handle?
wrote Is anyone surprised that binary billspit thinks winch handles are made by the boat builder? EVERY builder does this. The difference is the price point they are working towards, and the overall level of quality they need in the final product to make it sell at that price. C&C was not trying to make the cheapest possible boat for the uninformed, unsophisticated, first-time buyer, as Siedlemann was. BB |
wrote What does this have to do with a winch handle? Nothing. I just like to put down the boat you sail. Makes me feel better. BB |
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... There are several solutions. We typically coil the line around an unused winch but what if the line fell off the winch and into the water, then, when you start your engine?????? It's certainly a possibility, but it's more likely that it would come off the handle don't you think? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote: What does this have to do with a winch handle? Maybe he ment that it was a cheap winch handle. :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Did you ever get out of the site of land?
No. Had to scrap that plan. Maybe next year. Oh boy. Scotty Potti not only has a glass house, but the stones as well. RB |
Did I say I was going to?
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Did you ever get out of the site of land? No. Had to scrap that plan. Maybe next year. Oh boy. |
No. Jon, look at this pic.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty "Jonathan Ganz" wrote It's certainly a possibility, but it's more likely that it would come off the handle don't you think? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote: No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty By itself no. But, if the handle lock suddenly gave it up, it would go in the water, right? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Scott Vernon wrote: No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty By itself no. But, if the handle lock suddenly gave it up, it would go in the water, right? Well, yeah also if an Albatross swooped down and picked up the end and threw it in the water.....about the same thing. |
Hope we didn't break it:^)
Seahag "Scott Vernon" wrote: Yes Dad. I just realized it when I was closing up the boat and couldn't get it out. It was raining so I didn't mess with it. I'll still leave it in while sailing. |
OzOne wrote:
Scooter, I see nothing wrong with leaving the handle in the winch in those conditions, and looping over the winch is common practice. Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it. OTOH putting on mesh sheet bags to stow the fall of the lines is not expensive and it cleans things up enormously. The problem with the sheet bags on our last boat is that they inevitably got filled with candy bars & beer cans & sundry other items, so that when you needed to handle lines (and the crew was both surprised & outraged) the mess fleww all over the cockpit. Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously. We hve the cure for that ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote: do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty By itself no. But, if the handle lock suddenly gave it up, it would go in the water, right? Well, yeah also if an Albatross swooped down and picked up the end and threw it in the water.....about the same thing. Scott, I've seen locks go on winch handles. One minute you can't get it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull. If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain it could be a problem. You have a rail right there next to the winch. Why not use that for the extra line. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article , OzOne wrote:
On 19 Oct 2004 14:15:24 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) scribbled thusly: By itself no. But, if the handle lock suddenly gave it up, it would go in the water, right? And what disaster would then befall poor Scotty? He would have to actually sail? :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article , OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:01:53 -0400, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty Scooter, I see nothing wrong with leaving the handle in the winch in those conditions, and looping over the winch is common practice. Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously. In "those" conditions it's probably not a problem. In conditions we see here, it could easily be a problem. I tend to plan for worst case scenarios, since the conditions here change quickly. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article ,
DSK wrote: OzOne wrote: Scooter, I see nothing wrong with leaving the handle in the winch in those conditions, and looping over the winch is common practice. Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it. There is some risk of losing it inside someone who falls. OTOH putting on mesh sheet bags to stow the fall of the lines is not expensive and it cleans things up enormously. The problem with the sheet bags on our last boat is that they inevitably got filled with candy bars & beer cans & sundry other items, so that when you needed to handle lines (and the crew was both surprised & outraged) the mess fleww all over the cockpit. Same thing here. I have to keep inforcing the lines only policy when I'm teaching. Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously. We hve the cure for that ;) Politics!! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article , OzOne wrote:
On 19 Oct 2004 15:06:43 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) scribbled thusly: Scott, I've seen locks go on winch handles. One minute you can't get it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull. So you lose another broken winch handle...no great loss. My concern is not with the handle itself, although that is a good point. I'm sure Scotty has a spare somewhere. If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain it could be a problem. You have a rail right there next to the winch. Why not use that for the extra line. You mean tie it on so it takes longer to access and gets it the way? No. We have tie-downs for lines. They use a quick loop to secure the line. Actually, they don't go on rails, so I mis-typed. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article ,
wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:10:26 -0400, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Is anyone surprised that binary billspit thinks winch handles are made by the boat builder? bwahahahah SV The boat builder didn't manufacture much besides the hull and some parts of the interior. The rest of the boat is basically what the builder selected from other suppliers to meet a price point, which is why your Seidlemann is loaded down with the cheapest gear that could be found. I'm surprised the standing rigging isn't galvanized. Hah. In fact galvanised rigging is a fraction of the cost and has better structural properties than the commonly used 1x19 s/steel rigging. Still, don't let facts get in your way. PDW |
Uh, yeah, you did. You owe me for a new winch and handle.
Scotty "Seahag" wrote in message ... Hope we didn't break it:^) Seahag "Scott Vernon" wrote: Yes Dad. I just realized it when I was closing up the boat and couldn't get it out. It was raining so I didn't mess with it. I'll still leave it in while sailing. |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it. There is some risk of losing it inside someone who falls. Must you gay up EVERY post? |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote One minute you can't get it undone, then next it comes off with a straight pull. If you were distracted with other things, I still maintain an Albatross could swoop down and pull the handle straight off. |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
So you lose another broken winch handle...no great loss. My concern is not with the handle itself, although that is a good point. I'm sure Scotty has a spare somewhere. Actually, that IS the spare. I have a nicer one (Lewmar) for the cockpit winches. I need to get another one. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
ganz is gay?
gf. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Yeah, if the handle won't come out then what's the worst that could happen, leaving it in? It's not like you're at risk of losing it. There is some risk of losing it inside someone who falls. Must you gay up EVERY post? |
"gonefishiing" wrote ... ganz is gay. gf. you sure? |
Nice pollution!
Cheers Scott Vernon wrote: No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty "Jonathan Ganz" wrote It's certainly a possibility, but it's more likely that it would come off the handle don't you think? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
DSK wrote: OzOne wrote: Some of the 'sailors' here take themselves a little too seriously. We hve the cure for that ;) Yes but to buy a stinkpot?! Cheers |
oh you mean that brown stuff at the skyline...................
it's not pollution it was put there to make incredible sunsets gf. "Nav" wrote in message ... Nice pollution! Cheers Scott Vernon wrote: No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty "Jonathan Ganz" wrote It's certainly a possibility, but it's more likely that it would come off the handle don't you think? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
fall off?
your kidding? if that line fell off, it's not a line in the water you need to worry about. you may think about the need to activate the epirb. :) gf. (looks like you're heading north?..........generally towards NJ) "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty |
just a guess
gf. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "gonefishiing" wrote ... ganz is gay. gf. you sure? |
West. Look at the shadow of the other winch handle (don't tell Jon,
he'll have nightmares). Scotty "gonefishiing" wrote in message ... fall off? your kidding? if that line fell off, it's not a line in the water you need to worry about. you may think about the need to activate the epirb. :) gf. (looks like you're heading north?..........generally towards NJ) "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... No. Jon, look at this pic. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/470278.JPG do you honestly think that coil is going to 'jump' over the winch handle? Scotty |
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