YA know..this is about the most sensible political thread going on this
ng...for once I'm inclined to believe you...maybe we should all just get out
our old Barry buttons and do the deed. Ralph Nader is no option...he's not
only dead, he's also a zombie.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dead people have been elected before. Just look at the dead guy in
Missouri
a few years ago. He still won.

If Goldwater wins, I say dig him up (he was cremated), better yet, place
an
ashtray on the desk and let him have at it. He'd be great! Just remember
the
guidepost for medicine: "Do no harm" and rest assured, Barry will do no
harm! If the choice is between Goldwater and Kerry, I say: "better dead
than
Red!" If you find the ashtray unappealing, you can use a Goldwater
mannequin
or ventriloquist dummy. Vote early and often! Goldwater!!!

Gilligan


"katysails" wrote in message
...
He's dead....

"Gilligan" wrote in message
news
Here's a quote from Barry Goldwater:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There
is
no position on which people are so immovable as their religious
beliefs.
There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus
Christ,
or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like
any
powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used
sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land
are
not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force
government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you
disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they
complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm
frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country
telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must
believe
in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from
where
do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to
me?
And
I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of
every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my
vote
on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight
them
every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to
all
Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "


Now there was a man with principles and spine! What he said then is so
applicable today. In your heart, you know he's right!


Gilligan

In article ,
katysails wrote:
YA know..this is about the most sensible political thread going on this
ng...for once I'm inclined to believe you...maybe we should all just get out
our old Barry buttons and do the deed. Ralph Nader is no option...he's not
only dead, he's also a zombie.

If Nader dropped out of the race, and asked his supporters to vote for
Kerry or whomever they chose to vote for, his credibility and stature
would greatly be enhanced. There is no way he can claim that there
isn't a difference in this election. If he did that, the next time he
ran for office, he would probably get far more support and end up have
more of a voice in our national agenda. As it is now, he's less than a
loser. I used to respect him. I don't any longer.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Here's how Goldwater considered using low yield atomic weapons:

"There have been several suggestions made. Defoliation of the forests by
low-yield atomic weapons could well be done. When you remove the foliage,
you remove the cover. We might have to (take action against China). Either
that, or we have a war dragged out and dragged out. a defensive war is never
won. If we decide to go into this war in a full-scale way, certainly we
would have to make the decision on strategic supplies for the enemy at the
same time. "

He merely wanted to use them to clear away the brush to get at the
Communists. In that capacity, atomic weapons may have been much less deadly
than Agent Orange. Certainly, they would have been more cost effective.

"The bomb" is only as good as the will to use it. I applaud Mr. Goldwater
for striking fear into our enemies.

Remember Thom, the sun is an uncontrolled fusion reaction spewing its waste
products directly at earth. You have a much greater cancer risk from 8 hours
in the sun without sunscreen than livng next to Three Mile Island for 70
years.

Gilligan

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Gilly,

I thought the world of Barry but there were time when he was really
wrong ad couldn't see it.

Do you believe he was right on his willing to use "the Bomb?"

Will the beehive hairpiece fit into the voting booth?

Gilligan

"katysails" wrote in message
...
YA know..this is about the most sensible political thread going on this
ng...for once I'm inclined to believe you...maybe we should all just get
out
our old Barry buttons and do the deed. Ralph Nader is no option...he's not
only dead, he's also a zombie.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dead people have been elected before. Just look at the dead guy in
Missouri
a few years ago. He still won.

If Goldwater wins, I say dig him up (he was cremated), better yet, place
an
ashtray on the desk and let him have at it. He'd be great! Just remember
the
guidepost for medicine: "Do no harm" and rest assured, Barry will do no
harm! If the choice is between Goldwater and Kerry, I say: "better dead
than
Red!" If you find the ashtray unappealing, you can use a Goldwater
mannequin
or ventriloquist dummy. Vote early and often! Goldwater!!!

Gilligan


"katysails" wrote in message
...
He's dead....

"Gilligan" wrote in message
news Here's a quote from Barry Goldwater:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There
is
no position on which people are so immovable as their religious
beliefs.
There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus
Christ,
or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like
any
powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used
sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our
land
are
not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force
government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you
disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue,
they
complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm
frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country
telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must
believe
in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from
where
do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to
me?
And
I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of
every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control
my
vote
on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will
fight
them
every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions
to
all
Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "


Now there was a man with principles and spine! What he said then is
so
applicable today. In your heart, you know he's right!


Gilligan

sigh....i have the flattest hair imaginable....if only it would go into a
beehive....
"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Will the beehive hairpiece fit into the voting booth?

Gilligan

"katysails" wrote in message
...
YA know..this is about the most sensible political thread going on this
ng...for once I'm inclined to believe you...maybe we should all just get
out
our old Barry buttons and do the deed. Ralph Nader is no option...he's
not
only dead, he's also a zombie.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dead people have been elected before. Just look at the dead guy in
Missouri
a few years ago. He still won.

If Goldwater wins, I say dig him up (he was cremated), better yet,
place
an
ashtray on the desk and let him have at it. He'd be great! Just
remember
the
guidepost for medicine: "Do no harm" and rest assured, Barry will do no
harm! If the choice is between Goldwater and Kerry, I say: "better dead
than
Red!" If you find the ashtray unappealing, you can use a Goldwater
mannequin
or ventriloquist dummy. Vote early and often! Goldwater!!!

Gilligan


"katysails" wrote in message
...
He's dead....

"Gilligan" wrote in message
news Here's a quote from Barry Goldwater:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There
is
no position on which people are so immovable as their religious
beliefs.
There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus
Christ,
or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like
any
powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be
used
sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our
land
are
not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to
force
government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you
disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue,
they
complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm
frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this
country
telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must
believe
in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from
where
do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to
me?
And
I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of
every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control
my
vote
on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will
fight
them
every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions
to
all
Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "


Now there was a man with principles and spine! What he said then is
so
applicable today. In your heart, you know he's right!


Gilligan

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Maxprop wrote:

The era of politicians with principle and steel is gone. I fear we're
going
to be assaulted increasingly by those for whom campaign funds and special
interests are their gods, and outright lies are their truths.


Max, yet you support a guy who derided McCain for being unpatriotic,
who in my opinion, comes closest to being honorable and electable.

I won't disagree with that. John McCain is too non-political to be a good
politician in this climate.

Max

"Gilligan" wrote in message
news
Here's a quote from Barry Goldwater:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There
is
snip


Now there was a man with principles and spine! What he said then is so
applicable today. In your heart, you know he's right!


Ahhhh.... the good old days .... when Republicans were able to articulate
their thoughts!!!


Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message

Ahhhh.... the good old days .... when Republicans were able to articulate
their thoughts!!!

Ahhh . . . . the good old days. . . . when politicians, in general, weren't
forced to lie to get elected.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Barry G. didn't get elected, did he?

Max

"Maxprop" wrote

Oh, wait, I forgot. Barry G. didn't get elected, did he?

Nope. When asked about Vietnam he honestly answered that as a Senator he
lacked the info needed but would either win or pull out depending on that
info. LBJ swore "I will never send your son to Vietnam!". LBJ won and
promptly sent 50,000 mothers' sons to die in 'nam. Says much about the
gullibility of our electorate.

But he never lied either!

Gilligan



"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

Ahhhh.... the good old days .... when Republicans were able to
articulate
their thoughts!!!

Ahhh . . . . the good old days. . . . when politicians, in general,
weren't
forced to lie to get elected.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Barry G. didn't get elected, did he?

Max