Since we wilderness camped when I was a kid, in forest, not state parks, and
since I was a Girl Scout for 10 years with a troop that believed in doing it
the right way, I can honestly say that you're nothing but a braggart blow
hard when it comes to these things. My family still has Queen's lease on a
number of acres 60 miles north of the Sault where we all spent summers
roughing it. Bears were active visitors to the area. I spent half the
night in a primitive outhouse with one snuffling around outside. You are
not the only person on the world that has any experience. But you do have a
big mouth and are becoming extremely boring with your childish diatribes.
And emotionalism??? Have you read what you've written? makes Nora Roberts
look like a year's worth of Presbyterian sermons....
"Overproof" wrote in message
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"katysails" wrote in message
...
Ya know, sometimes Mooron, you sound just like my 8 year old
grandson...but 8 year olds are often forgiven their braggadocio and their
delusions.....

Ya know Kitty... sometimes you just have no idea of what you are
commenting on ... and in such instances you should just refrain from
allowing your emotional reactions interfere with a subject matter you
obviously don't have a clue about.

I would trust your comments on sailing, pets and gardening and most other
urban matters..... wilderness survival?... not a chance!

CM

On 13 Oct 2004 17:29:16 -0700, (Peter Wiley)
wrote:

I agree with you about people in croc habitat needing to have a clue,
but crocs will kill people for food. It's not like a bear raiding a
tent for food & the occupant merely being in the way.

PDW

I saw on a tv documentory that bears coming into your tent at night
aren't looking for potatoe chips, they are looking to eat you.
Mark E. Williams

OzOne wrote
http://tinyurl.com/5qzsl

A 60-YEAR-OLD grandmother has been hailed a hero after she took on a
4m, 300kg crocodile to save a friend and his family during an horrific
attack.

Kudos to Gran but why didn't the wife simply draw her .44 Magnum and
dispatch the beast?

Oh! That's right. Croc's are protected, right?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Only Cowards and Idiots need guns to defend themselves.... especially in
the Bush!

Easy to say that now that our ancestors have made "the Bush" so safe. OTOH
an ancestor of mine did walk from San Diego to Illinois via the Great Salt
Lake unarmed circa 1850, when that was still frontier. Can't say he enjoyed
it much.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
..... Something attracted it.....


Perhaps the man's feet smelled bad ...

OzOne wrote:
They are pretty awesome.
The surprising part is how fast they move on land.
It lookesto me like they push forward with their tail, so the whole
front of their body is airborne.

Yes, they have tremendous ability to leap, lunge, and can hit the ground
running to sprint for short distances. They exceed alligators in this
ability by a lot and apparently also have better eyesight and a wider
range of prey.

I used to putter around a lot in north-eastern Florida in the creeks and
swamps, got used to being around alligators. They don't bother you if
you're in a small boat or even a canoe... OTOH it sounds to me like you
do *not* hang around sal****er crocs.

We went on an eco-tour some years back that included Komodo Island,
seeing the huge monitor lizards. They are awesome. But they also only go
after certain types of prey under certain conditions... we were always
accompanied by at least two rangers. The dragons seemed to barely notice
us... although when my wife crouched down to take a picture of one from
a low angle, the dragon (about 15 feet away) definitely took notice and
started toward her. They also reacted to goat imitations... the rangers
did this, not me! They thought it was funny.

Anyway, what I was going to say is that the sal****er croc range extends
both sides of Komodo & Rincha, where the giant monitors live. I wonder
how much their habitats overlap, we were told that the dragons cannot
compete against other predators.

Regards
Doug King

Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
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I'd suggest that if you dropped him in the far North with no weapon Mr
Testosterone here would be ****ing himself with fear in a day. In his
closeted safe enviroment (with no real predators) he has no idea what the
worst of Oz is like. He probably wouldn't recognise half the predators.


Crap... your "dingos" are 40lbs of scrawny mutt compared to our 125lb wolves
Your Feral Pigs... heck you have a TV celebrity that wrestles them to the
ground bare handed.
Nav... they are PIGS!! I eat pigs.
Oh Yeah the dangerous Wombat.... and the killer Roos!!
Compare those to a 1500 lb Polar Bear, a Wolverine or even a Walrus!
The Salty is your only claim to fame if you ignore your plentiful snakes.
I don't carry a firearm when I survey.... I've surveyed in Resolute, Holman
and Sachs Harbour to name 3 of over 20+ locations. Matter of fact... pick
any spot north of the 60th and I've most likely been there.

You have no idea of the predators up north... but I'd dare say that from my
many conversations with a multitude of Aussies that work for BHP Bilton
Diamond Mines in the NWT ... I have a very good idea of the wildlife in
Australia. My favourite Aussie trick is the Australian Bagpipes! I'm
certain you know that one.

So Nav.... BITE ME!


Hey, don't you start with that homo stuff.

Cheers

"Nav" wrote in message
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Overproof wrote:
So Nav.... BITE ME!


Hey, don't you start with that homo stuff.

Aw CRAP!!! Look here.... I went out of my way to start a good scrap!!
I loaded the replies with enough ammo to allow even Bush a success!!


What do I get??? ..... 2 or 3 half hearted tugs on the line and a really
****ed off KittyFish!

I made an effort to raise your blood pressure ...with obviously little
effect!
In the good old days you guys would have used those openings to raise your
status at my expense!
Now-a-days..... you all fold faster than superman on laundry day!!

A Kittyfish??? a paltry Kittyfish??? If that's the only thing in this left
in this pond with any venom... I need to redirect my energy.

Later

Capt. Mooron

In article gLDbd.3980$_u6.2386@edtnps89,
Overproof wrote:
A Kittyfish??? a paltry Kittyfish??? If that's the only thing in this left
in this pond with any venom... I need to redirect my energy.

Maybe you're slipping...

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

DSK wrote in message et...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote
..... The croc is
severely limited in it's ability to attack a land based mammal that can
sprint to 18 kph over a hundred meters in seconds.... never mind comprehend
it's surroundings beyond base instinct!! It's hunting food... man is not the
natural prey.


Peter Wiley wrote:
Got some bad news for you, CM. Man *is* natural prey for sal****er
crocs. Back in the 'old' days, the aboriginals apparently used to do
river crossings at a sprint. The logic was that the croc, if about,
would nail one of the older, slower members.

That's taking recycling a bit too far IMHO.

Shrug. Don't know if it's true, but the people did have to cross the
rivers and the crocs did lie in wait for prey. A 12' sal****er croc is
immune to any primitive weapon I can think of, offhand. IIRC the
biggest salty recorded is about 18'. Supposed to get over 20' but no
official measurement AFAIK. Thing is, their girth & weight starts
going up disproportionately with length once they're over around 10',
I think.

I've never seen one but never want to. Florida alligators can't compare.
I've read accounts of the Australian sal****er croc grabbing people out
of boats... heard of one case of one grabbing a person out of a stalled
jeep... not fun.

They've grabbed outboards off boats. Big crocs are territorial.
They're dangerous in their habitat. Whether this particular story is
light on fact or not doesn't really matter.

PDW