There's this Kiwi who runs a sporting guns shop in NZ. He goes to the US
regularly to buy sport rifles. Airport staff arrest him for not
declaring he's shipping guns (he said he did declare them). Charged,
he's advised to plea bargain -and gets 1 year in the slammer. Just as
he's about to be released they ship him to Georgia who says he bought
the guns illegally -although he supplied his address, photo id, phone
number and bank account. Told he'd be wise to plea bargain -he does and
gets another year added to his jail sentence. He's about to be released
and INS now jump on the bandwagon. He's now an overstayer on his visa...
He tells them he would love to have left but they wouldn't let him.
Guess what, he's back in jail. This is what happens when a mindless
(vindictive) bureaucracy takes over. The federal Govt. would not release
him to serve time here... because he's such a danger to America????
(He's generally viewed as a good father (quite religeous) carrying out a
legitimate business and who only deals in sporting rifles -no handguns
no automatic stuff.) Of course he is an alien in the US...

Cheers

Terrible. However, we do that to our own citizens, so a foreigner shouldn't
be
surprised.

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"Nav" wrote in message
...
There's this Kiwi who runs a sporting guns shop in NZ. He goes to the US
regularly to buy sport rifles. Airport staff arrest him for not declaring
he's shipping guns (he said he did declare them). Charged, he's advised to
plea bargain -and gets 1 year in the slammer. Just as he's about to be
released they ship him to Georgia who says he bought the guns
illegally -although he supplied his address, photo id, phone number and
bank account. Told he'd be wise to plea bargain -he does and gets another
year added to his jail sentence. He's about to be released and INS now
jump on the bandwagon. He's now an overstayer on his visa... He tells them
he would love to have left but they wouldn't let him. Guess what, he's
back in jail. This is what happens when a mindless (vindictive)
bureaucracy takes over. The federal Govt. would not release him to serve
time here... because he's such a danger to America???? (He's generally
viewed as a good father (quite religeous) carrying out a legitimate
business and who only deals in sporting rifles -no handguns no automatic
stuff.) Of course he is an alien in the US...

Cheers

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:59:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Terrible. However, we do that to our own citizens, so a foreigner shouldn't
be
surprised.


Is that what they did to your boyfriend?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:59:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Terrible. However, we do that to our own citizens, so a foreigner
shouldn't
be
surprised.


That's what they did to my boyfriend.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Nav wrote in message ...
There's this Kiwi who runs a sporting guns shop in NZ. He goes to the US
regularly to buy sport rifles. Airport staff arrest him for not
declaring he's shipping guns (he said he did declare them).

So did he go to trail? Was he found guilty?


Charged,
he's advised to plea bargain -and gets 1 year in the slammer.

If your inoicent your should never plea bargain.


Just as
he's about to be released they ship him to Georgia who says he bought
the guns illegally -although he supplied his address, photo id, phone
number and bank account. Told he'd be wise to plea bargain -he does and
gets another year added to his jail sentence.

Showing your address and ID and Bank account number to an illegal arms
dealer does not make it legal to purchace weapons from them. And to
plea bargain twice when you know your not guilty and got screwed the
first time seems to be an un-wise way to act unless you are guilty.



He's about to be released
and INS now jump on the bandwagon. He's now an overstayer on his visa...
He tells them he would love to have left but they wouldn't let him.
Guess what, he's back in jail. This is what happens when a mindless
(vindictive) bureaucracy takes over. The federal Govt. would not release
him to serve time here... because he's such a danger to America????
(He's generally viewed as a good father (quite religeous) carrying out a
legitimate business and who only deals in sporting rifles -no handguns
no automatic stuff.) Of course he is an alien in the US...

A sad story indeed if true Nav. But for some reason I have the
feeling Im only getting one side of this story.

Joe



Cheers

Joe wrote:
Nav wrote in message ...

There's this Kiwi who runs a sporting guns shop in NZ. He goes to the US
regularly to buy sport rifles. Airport staff arrest him for not
declaring he's shipping guns (he said he did declare them).


So did he go to trail? Was he found guilty?


Charged,

he's advised to plea bargain -and gets 1 year in the slammer.


If your inoicent your should never plea bargain.


That's not what the attorny advised. It was his word against the airline
clerk and who do you think the jury would beleive -an airline clerk or
an alien?


Just as

he's about to be released they ship him to Georgia who says he bought
the guns illegally -although he supplied his address, photo id, phone
number and bank account. Told he'd be wise to plea bargain -he does and
gets another year added to his jail sentence.


Showing your address and ID and Bank account number to an illegal arms
dealer does not make it legal to purchace weapons from them. And to
plea bargain twice when you know your not guilty and got screwed the
first time seems to be an un-wise way to act unless you are guilty.


Who said anything about an illegal arms dealer? He was buying weapons at
regular outlets as far as I know.


He's about to be released

and INS now jump on the bandwagon. He's now an overstayer on his visa...
He tells them he would love to have left but they wouldn't let him.
Guess what, he's back in jail. This is what happens when a mindless
(vindictive) bureaucracy takes over. The federal Govt. would not release
him to serve time here... because he's such a danger to America????
(He's generally viewed as a good father (quite religeous) carrying out a
legitimate business and who only deals in sporting rifles -no handguns
no automatic stuff.) Of course he is an alien in the US...


A sad story indeed if true Nav. But for some reason I have the
feeling Im only getting one side of this story.

Joe


maybe but why do you want to pay to keep him in jail. Any sensible
person would realize he's no threat, revoke his visa and ship him out to
his home country for detention. (While he may have broken some law he
probably did it without intent.)

Cheers

"Joe" wrote

If your inoicent your should never plea bargain.

Tell that to Buz. He bought a pistol from his folks paper boy (a young
adult) who claimed his dad had died and his mother needed the $$$ to keep
him in school. Gun turned out stolen but since the value was questionable
the prosecutor offered to let him plead to a misdomeanor. Buz refused. He'd
known the paper boy for years, had paid a fair price, and had witnesses.
Didn't matter. He was charged with a felony and police had a half dozen
burgulars swear he was their fence - in return for dropping charges against
the actual thieves! He got a minimum sentence because his record was
spotless. That's American Justice Maryland style. You could be next ....

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote

If your inoicent your should never plea bargain.

Tell that to Buz. He bought a pistol from his folks paper boy (a young
adult) who claimed his dad had died and his mother needed the $$$ to keep
him in school.


If Buz had a friend that was willing to pay to get him a lawyer then
perhaps Buz would still have a clean record.

In the American system you need money to be heard.

Buz I suspect was using a court appointed stooge to repesent him.

Gun turned out stolen but since the value was questionable
the prosecutor offered to let him plead to a misdomeanor. Buz refused.


Buz is a man of princapals. I respect that.


He'd
known the paper boy for years, had paid a fair price, and had witnesses.
Didn't matter. He was charged with a felony and police had a half dozen
burgulars swear he was their fence - in return for dropping charges against
the actual thieves! He got a minimum sentence because his record was
spotless.


What happened here Vito is the American system.
Money talks Bull**** walks.
Buz shifted the burden to the man.
The man makes his bucks keeping buzz locked up.
If buz took the burden(cost) to prove he is indeed innoicent.
Then the man would have a much much harder time swatting buzz.
It might cost Buzz lots of Jack!
But thats the facts.. feels like crap.

But buzz could be free to visit the Paper boy.
Roll up a newspaper.. SMACK SMACK SMACK
Make More Jack, Free to Buz about.





That's American Justice Maryland style. You could be next ....


Wanna Bet? Just keep clean, collect records, reciepts ect. And if you
do something a little shady you better plan for the worst.

Joe

In article ,
Joe wrote:
Wanna Bet? Just keep clean, collect records, reciepts ect. And if you
do something a little shady you better plan for the worst.

By your, Bush, and Asscoft's definition, shady means questioning
authority. Don't worry, they're the ones collecting the records.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote

If your inoicent your should never plea bargain.

Tell that to Buz. He bought a pistol from his folks paper boy (a young
adult) who claimed his dad had died and his mother needed the $$$ to
keep
him in school.


If Buz had a friend that was willing to pay to get him a lawyer then
perhaps Buz would still have a clean record.

Buz had an expensive lawyer. The lawyer advised him to take the plea
bargain.