It's one of the settings for select fire. Pull the trigger, it squirts
out 3. Usually a pretty tight group even from the shoulder, too.


Nav wrote:
I think it must be a different rifle than the NATO version 'cos the
selector on the ones I've fired only had a safe and semi position.

All the NATO infantry arms I'm familiar with have full auto, some have
3-round burst.

As for 3-round burst selective fire, you could learn a little about it
with a very simple Google search.

... To
modify it to full auto was, I believe, a courts martial offense.


I didn't realize that any national army didn't trust it's infantrymen
with the option of full auto fire.

... I must
admit that I don't see how the simple firing mechanism could be modified
to make a 3 round burst -full auto is simple the selector just needs
filing down so that when rotated further it can't recatch the mechanism.

Why do you try and bull**** everyone when you ought to realize you don't
have a clue what you're talking about?

And to think, in this great modern age of the Info Superhighway, you
could become an expert of at least Jaxxian proportions very simply.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search


As far as balance, I'd say the muzzle tended to kick up about 4" so that
by the time you've let it fall and the next round is chambered it would
be hard to be accurate if the next shot were fired as soon as the recoil
mechanism closed the breach. In that sense I'd say it was a bit muzzle
end light for accuracy on full auto.

IIRC the 3-round burst fires from open bolt.

You don't know what that means either, do you?

DSK

DSK wrote:

It's one of the settings for select fire. Pull the trigger, it
squirts out 3. Usually a pretty tight group even from the shoulder, too.


Nav wrote:

I think it must be a different rifle than the NATO version 'cos the
selector on the ones I've fired only had a safe and semi position.


All the NATO infantry arms I'm familiar with have full auto, some have
3-round burst.

As for 3-round burst selective fire, you could learn a little about it
with a very simple Google search.

... To modify it to full auto was, I believe, a courts martial offense.



I didn't realize that any national army didn't trust it's infantrymen
with the option of full auto fire.

... I must admit that I don't see how the simple firing mechanism
could be modified to make a 3 round burst -full auto is simple the
selector just needs filing down so that when rotated further it can't
recatch the mechanism.


Why do you try and bull**** everyone when you ought to realize you don't
have a clue what you're talking about?

But Doug, it's you that is saying the FN FAL has a three round burst
selector, not me. When I fired it that was not the case, and when it was
used by the British Army it had no full auto capability either. When I
took a weapons maintenance course at the British School of infantry at
Warminster (which included servicing and testing the FN semiautomatic
rifle) there was discussion about how it might be illegally modified. At
no time was an automatic controlled burst discussed as an option. I'm
prepared to accept that some clever chap may have worked out how to do
it but I don't see how.


And to think, in this great modern age of the Info Superhighway, you
could become an expert of at least Jaxxian proportions very simply.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search

So, I followed your directions and typed in "FN FAL 3 round burst select
fire" and cant't find a site that says the FN has a three round burst.
But you say it does -so why not post the reference so I can read about it?


As far as balance, I'd say the muzzle tended to kick up about 4" so
that by the time you've let it fall and the next round is chambered it
would be hard to be accurate if the next shot were fired as soon as
the recoil mechanism closed the breach. In that sense I'd say it was a
bit muzzle end light for accuracy on full auto.


IIRC the 3-round burst fires from open bolt.

You don't know what that means either, do you?


No, I have no idea how one might modify a old standard NATO FN FAL to
fire an automatic three round burst. Perhaps you can explain?

Cheers

DSK wrote:

It's one of the settings for select fire. Pull the trigger, it
squirts out 3. Usually a pretty tight group even from the shoulder, too.


I think it must be a different rifle than the NATO version 'cos the
selector on the ones I've fired only had a safe and semi position.


All the NATO infantry arms I'm familiar with have full auto, some have
3-round burst.

As for 3-round burst selective fire, you could learn a little about it
with a very simple Google search.

... To modify it to full auto was, I believe, a courts martial offense.


I didn't realize that any national army didn't trust it's infantrymen
with the option of full auto fire.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/FN%20FAL

"The British adopted their own variant of the FAL and manufactured it
based on an imperial measurement pattern, and incorporated minor
amendments, including folding cocking handle, prong shaped flash
eliminator, folding rear sight, sand removing cuts in the slide and
beefed up magazine catch. The UK variant, and many others, is
semi-automatic only."

Now how do you explain that? It would seem to agree with my recollection
would it not?

Cheers

"Nav" wrote

"The British adopted their own variant of the FAL and manufactured
it
based on an imperial measurement pattern, and incorporated minor
amendments, including folding cocking handle, prong shaped flash
eliminator, folding rear sight, sand removing cuts in the slide and
beefed up magazine catch. The UK variant, and many others, is
semi-automatic only."

Now how do you explain that?

Candy ass limeys?

I didn't realize that any national army didn't trust it's infantrymen
with the option of full auto fire.

Nav wrote:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/FN%20FAL

"The British adopted their own variant of the FAL
.... The UK variant, and many others, is
semi-automatic only."

Now how do you explain that? It would seem to agree with my recollection
would it not?

I'd explain it by saying that you have only seen one particular type of
FN-FAL. I didn't know about it, therefor I learned something. I'm still
a bit surprised that a standard issue infantry weapon would be
single-fire only. That would really limit firepower.

Now, are you saying there is no such a thing as a gas-operated
auto-loader with a selectable 3 round burst? I don't know if the FAL
ever had that option, but some FN SLRs based on the same technology did.
There are several FN-FAL versions that had semi or full auto.

DSK

DSK wrote:

I didn't realize that any national army didn't trust it's infantrymen
with the option of full auto fire.


Nav wrote:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/FN%20FAL

"The British adopted their own variant of the FAL .... The UK
variant, and many others, is
semi-automatic only."

Now how do you explain that? It would seem to agree with my
recollection would it not?


I'd explain it by saying that you have only seen one particular type of
FN-FAL. I didn't know about it, therefor I learned something. I'm still
a bit surprised that a standard issue infantry weapon would be
single-fire only. That would really limit firepower.

Now, are you saying there is no such a thing as a gas-operated
auto-loader with a selectable 3 round burst? I don't know if the FAL
ever had that option, but some FN SLRs based on the same technology did.
There are several FN-FAL versions that had semi or full auto.


Well I've not found a reference to the FN-FAL rifle you said you fired
in automatic 3 round bursts. I am well aware of how it can be simply
altered to be full automatic (if that is what one wants). Can you help
me find how it can be altered in the way you describe? Is it possible
you were firing some other weapon?

Cheers

Nav wrote:
Well I've not found a reference to the FN-FAL rifle you said you fired
in automatic 3 round bursts.

Did I say it was an FAL? I don't think so, because I don't think it was.
FN is a manufacturer & design group that makes many different weapons.

... I am well aware of how it can be simply
altered to be full automatic (if that is what one wants).

All that stuff about making a semi into a fully automatic by filing a
little off the sear, or some other simple change one might make in one's
garage, is nonsense.

... Can you help
me find how it can be altered in the way you describe?

It wasn't altered, it was built that way. I believe that it has an
additional gas expansion chamber to operate the 3-round selected fire.

... Is it possible
you were firing some other weapon?

There were several 3-round capable weapons being handed around, one was
the well known H&K MP5.

The one I would really like a chance to try is the G-11
http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm
Do you think this would make a good cruiser's gun?

DSK

DSK wrote:

Nav wrote:

Well I've not found a reference to the FN-FAL rifle you said you fired
in automatic 3 round bursts.


Did I say it was an FAL? I don't think so, because I don't think it was.
FN is a manufacturer & design group that makes many different weapons.

Well, I'll quote you:

"Once upon a time while roaming around at a shooting event on a military
base, I got a chance to try out a couple of select fire military arms
(including a Galil and an FN-FAL) with 3-round burst. It is a huge
advantage over timed fire. "


... I am well aware of how it can be simply altered to be full
automatic (if that is what one wants).


All that stuff about making a semi into a fully automatic by filing a
little off the sear, or some other simple change one might make in one's
garage, is nonsense.

Well it's hard to file hardened steel, grinding is better I've not
seen the modification but it was certainly talked about. What is the
difference between the semi-automatic sear and the automatic one?


... Can you help me find how it can be altered in the way you describe?


It wasn't altered, it was built that way. I believe that it has an
additional gas expansion chamber to operate the 3-round selected fire.


That sounds like a complicated modification. Did the rifle look like a
FN-FAL or was there an extra bulge in it for the extra gas expansion
chamber? Can you find a picture of it?


There were several 3-round capable weapons being handed around, one was
the well known H&K MP5.

The one I would really like a chance to try is the G-11
http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm
Do you think this would make a good cruiser's gun?


It looks OTT. Complicated mechanism + caseless ammunition? How would it
take being drenched in salt water? I would think simple mechanisms are
better at sea -if you must have anything more dangerous than a flare gun...

I hear arguments both ways on the gun issue. I would guess that on a
small yacht you are not going to survive a fire fight with pirates so it
may be better not to start one. As far as I know, big ships relay on
trying to stop boarding rather than enter into a fire fight if boarded.

Cheers

Did I say it was an FAL? I don't think so, because I don't think it
was. FN is a manufacturer & design group that makes many different
weapons.

Nav wrote:
Well, I'll quote you:

"Once upon a time while roaming around at a shooting event on a military
base, I got a chance to try out a couple of select fire military arms
(including a Galil and an FN-FAL) with 3-round burst. It is a huge
advantage over timed fire. "

Well, if that's an accurate quote, then it was my mistake. I meant FN.




All that stuff about making a semi into a fully automatic by filing a
little off the sear, or some other simple change one might make in
one's garage, is nonsense.


Well it's hard to file hardened steel, grinding is better I've not
seen the modification but it was certainly talked about.

Yep, by people who don't know any better, like Horvath. It's just
another old wives tale. Ask a gunsmith.

DSK

Nav wrote:





All that stuff about making a semi into a fully automatic by filing a
little off the sear, or some other simple change one might make in
one's garage, is nonsense.


Well it's hard to file hardened steel, grinding is better I've not
seen the modification but it was certainly talked about. What is the
difference between the semi-automatic sear and the automatic one?

Nav and Doug, I may be a little late getting in here but I've beeen out sailing;
The Canadian version of the FN-FAL was also semi-auto only, the emphasis being on
marksmenship rather than volume. Our FNs could be modified to full auto by the simply placing a strip of
thick paper made by folding a paper match book cover under one end of a leaf spring located under
the breach block, (and yes Nav, a court-martial offence in the Canadian armmy).

Cheers
Marty