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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:49:19 -0400, Horvath
scribbled thusly:


Duh! You seem to forget that I was once one of the biggest arms
dealers in the world.

Had they been cut off or blown off?
Did you discount if fingers were missing?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:46:08 +1300, Nav wrote
this crap:

Duh! You seem to forget that I was once one of the biggest arms
dealers in the world.


Was that a wet dream you once had?

No. At a weapons depot run by the military.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Nav wrote:





All that stuff about making a semi into a fully automatic by filing a
little off the sear, or some other simple change one might make in
one's garage, is nonsense.


Well it's hard to file hardened steel, grinding is better ;) I've not
seen the modification but it was certainly talked about. What is the
difference between the semi-automatic sear and the automatic one?

Nav and Doug, I may be a little late getting in here but I've beeen out sailing;
The Canadian version of the FN-FAL was also semi-auto only, the emphasis being on
marksmenship rather than volume. Our FNs could be modified to full auto by the simply placing a strip of
thick paper made by folding a paper match book cover under one end of a leaf spring located under
the breach block, (and yes Nav, a court-martial offence in the Canadian armmy).

Cheers
Marty

Nav wrote:

That being said the weapon is ridiculously expensive, complicated,
heavy and far too powerful to make a good assault rifle.


Yes, I agree the recoil is (was) not well enough controlled to make it a
great automatic weapon. It was also not that accurate I(MHO) as compared
to the .303 I shot in competition. However I often ended the day with a
sore shoulder from firing .303 in a shirt and never had such a problem
with the FN SLR. People still use .303 for hunting here -how about in
Canada?

Indeed the gas operation takes up a lot of the recoil, and for a lot of people this
makes the FN, or any other gas operated semi-auto more accurate for that person, (less afraid of
a sore shoulder), even though the weapon is in fact inherenltly less accurate. Yes we still use .303, quite a few
"sporterized" Lee Enfields out there.



I'm still not able to get out of Doug exactly what this FN FAL weapon
was that fired an (accurate?) automatic 3 round burst. From my
recollection of the firing meachnaism I don't see how it could be
accomplished without a major rework of the trigger and selector
mechanisms.

Indeed, I think it was slip on Dougs' part, I can't recall seeing any version of the FAL in Janes
that has selective 3 round burst, he must have been thinking of another weapon.

Cheers
Marty
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to do such a thing with
better automatic weapons around.

Cheers

Horvath" wrote

Duh! You seem to forget that I was once one of the biggest arms
dealers in the world.

Wow! You must be the guy Ron Reagan hired to steal weapons earmarked for
Israel and illegally divert them to Iran so that the Ayatollah would keep
our hostages imprisoned long enough to embarass Carter. How did they get you
to illegally divert some of your profits to the Contras? How'd they get
that poor dumb Marine to take the fall?

Martin Baxter wrote:

Nav wrote:


That being said the weapon is ridiculously expensive, complicated,
heavy and far too powerful to make a good assault rifle.


Yes, I agree the recoil is (was) not well enough controlled to make it
a great automatic weapon. It was also not that accurate I(MHO) as
compared to the .303 I shot in competition. However I often ended the
day with a sore shoulder from firing .303 in a shirt and never had
such a problem with the FN SLR. People still use .303 for hunting here
-how about in Canada?


Indeed the gas operation takes up a lot of the recoil, and for a lot of
people this
makes the FN, or any other gas operated semi-auto more accurate for that
person, (less afraid of
a sore shoulder), even though the weapon is in fact inherenltly less
accurate. Yes we still use .303, quite a few
"sporterized" Lee Enfields out there.



I'm still not able to get out of Doug exactly what this FN FAL weapon
was that fired an (accurate?) automatic 3 round burst. From my
recollection of the firing meachnaism I don't see how it could be
accomplished without a major rework of the trigger and selector
mechanisms.


Indeed, I think it was slip on Dougs' part, I can't recall seeing any
version of the FAL in Janes
that has selective 3 round burst, he must have been thinking of another
weapon.


Yes, I thought Doug was wrong too -from my limited recollection of the
mechanism (although I used to be able to strip and reassenble the FN SLR
blindfold a long time ago!). That aside, I can't imagine why he would
want to claim to have fired an accurate group from the shoulder in a 3
round burst. Even with a bipod (which was not an option on the FN-SLR's
I used either) it's hard to be accurate during automatic weapons fire
-although I once managed to saw a target in half with a GPMG (that
barrel got damn hot before I switched barrels) and afterward I was
worried an RSM would give me hell for it!

Cheers

Nav wrote:

Even with a bipod (which was not an option on the FN-SLR's
I used either) it's hard to be accurate during automatic weapons fire
-although I once managed to saw a target in half with a GPMG (that
barrel got damn hot before I switched barrels) and afterward I was
worried an RSM would give me hell for it!


Indeed, did the saw in half thing once with a SMG (Patchet, 9mm), only it was from about
two metres! RSM was a tad red but kept mum.

Cheers
Marty

Nav wrote:
Yes, I thought Doug was wrong too

Yep, you always do.

... -from my limited recollection of the
mechanism (although I used to be able to strip and reassenble the FN SLR
blindfold a long time ago!).

Navvie, an "SLR" is a self loading rifle. How many different types do
you think the FN group has produced over the years?


...That aside, I can't imagine why he would
want to claim to have fired an accurate group from the shoulder in a 3
round burst.

Been taking speed-reading lessons from Jaxxie again?

... Even with a bipod (which was not an option on the FN-SLR's
I used either) it's hard to be accurate during automatic weapons fire
-although I once managed to saw a target in half with a GPMG (that
barrel got damn hot before I switched barrels) and afterward I was
worried an RSM would give me hell for it!

And you would have deserved it, wasting the taxpayers money like that.

DSK

Martin Baxter wrote:
Nav and Doug, I may be a little late getting in here but I've beeen out
sailing;

Good! I have spent most of the past week traveling the interstates.


The Canadian version of the FN-FAL was also semi-auto only, the emphasis
being on
marksmenship rather than volume. Our FNs could be modified to full auto
by the simply placing a strip of
thick paper made by folding a paper match book cover under one end of a
leaf spring located under
the breach block, (and yes Nav, a court-martial offence in the Canadian
armmy).

Hmmm... how long would this work? Does this mean that you could "file
(or grind) a little off the sear" and make it full auto? It sounds like
it would be fun but a bit less functional, possibly damage the weapon.
It also sounds a far cry from converting a semi-auto to a selectable
full or semi-auto.

Here's an example of synchronicity for those who believe in it... I had
a close parallel of this same conversation... "can you make a full auto
weapon out of a semi-auto SLR with a very simple modification" just the
other day.

The ones I've seen claimed are a Chinese copy of an AK-47, which
requires filing or grinding away part of both the sear *and* the feed
lever, then adding a new easily fabricated part and a different
spring... and a recoil operated .22 (Arm-A-Lite's wonderful AR-7) that
required fabricating a slightly different sear and changing the hammer
springs... I used to have a book that detailed this and gave part
numbers for the spring and machine specs for the "improved" sear.

However my favorite home-brew machine gun was a kit that mounted two
Ruger Mini-14s on a tripod with a spade handle and small crank to work
both triggers. I assume the same kit was (may still be) available for
other military style SLRs. Should I tell Joe about this? It'd be perfect
for discouraging those 3rd-world (ie texas) pirates!

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

The ones I've seen claimed are a Chinese copy of an AK-47, which requires
filing or grinding away snip

Don't do it Doug... I speak from experience. It turns the AK into a self
firing auto that requires no input from the bearer to activate.

The FN FAL I owned was an excellent weapon. It can fire so fast that
automatic is not really required. Really... you only have a standard 20
round clip or modified 40 round.

BTW - FN made a wide variety of weapons Doug. It's a Belgian Company.

Wind is howling here at 80 miles an hour outside. Great day to watch the
ocean from the safety of shore. I saw a big wooden picnic table fly off into
the woods a half hour ago... what a sight that was.

CM