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SAIL LOCO wrote: No doubt, but all the facts available contradict your statements, Bull****! There was no waiting line for officers to get in the NG. Period. Christ ask anybody. Don't have to as it's an established fact. "Competition for the few openings in the National Guard was intense, and there was a waiting list of 100,000 nationally at the time. Bush took the Air Force officer and pilot qualification tests on January 17, 1968. He scored 25%, the lowest possible passing grade on the pilot aptitude portion. On his application form, he listed his "background qualifications" as "none." But despite the waiting list, his low score and his lack of qualifications, Bush was given a highly-coveted spot and was sworn in on May 27 for a six-year commitment, taking a solemn oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution and the United States of America." -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: This is called being able to predict the future. No it's not. It's called a plan to enter public life and not work for a living. By the way Kerry should give back his salary for 2004. He hasn't participated in ONE vote for the people he represents. Others who have run for office have resigned their seat. And, others have not. What's your point? Do you live in Mass? Why do you care if they don't seem to mind? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: You're understanding would be wrong. Could be? That's a profound statement. Is that all you got? I said "would be" not "could be." It's quite profoud. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: But on the other hand I wasn't particularly plugged in to the avoid the draft crowd, so I don't have any particular basis for disputing the claim either. Have to take the word of others who are more familiar with the situation. Sounds to me like you're trying to weasel out of taking a stand. You're either with us or against us. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
On 30 Sep 2004 12:43:02 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap: "Competition for the few openings in the National Guard was intense, and there was a waiting list of 100,000 nationally at the time. Got any proof of this crap? I got into the guard, and there was no waiting list. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Horvath wrote: On 30 Sep 2004 19:30:40 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote this crap: No doubt, but all the facts available contradict your statements, Bull****! There was no waiting line for officers to get in the NG. Period. Christ ask anybody. You are correct. I went into the National Guard, and I didn't have any friends or relatives. As soon as they found out I was gay, they threw me out. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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On 30 Sep 2004 19:04:53 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) scribbled thusly: . And why was he given a discharge 20 years after he completed his service???????????? Reserve. Nah, don't hold back. :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 30 Sep 2004 13:47:53 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) said: Sounds to me like you're trying to weasel out of taking a stand. You're either with us or against us. Sounds to me like I'm disinclined to blow smoke on matters I know too little about. I would agree, but that would include just about everything you've ever posted. So, you sound like a flip-flopper to me. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Don't have to as it's an established fact.
No it's not. Your post stated a "coveted position" That has nothing to do with enlisted vs commissioned waiting lists. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
Got any proof of this crap? I got into the guard, and there was no
waiting list.. He's blowing Democratic smoke. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
Sounds to me like I'm disinclined to blow smoke on matters I know too little
about. Christ, an honest person on this NG. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
There were plenty of aircraft. He used that as an excuse to not show
up. Are you slow or what? There was none of the particular aircraft available that the physical was for. Yes there was plenty of aircraft but Bush didn't need to take a physical for those. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
Kerry, on the other hand, was a war hero
Kerry is a phony. That's all. He's a war phony and he's a phony when he continually states that he relates to the common working man. That's why he seeks out wealthy women to marry. He says he will stop jobs from going overseas. Why didn't he start with his wife's company? S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: Don't have to as it's an established fact. No it's not. Your post stated a "coveted position" That has nothing to do with enlisted vs commissioned waiting lists. Read it yourself: http://www.geocities.com/bushnationalguard/table.htm -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: Sounds to me like I'm disinclined to blow smoke on matters I know too little about. Christ, an honest person on this NG. Christ isn't on the ng as far as I can tell, but this bozo is and isn't. Well, I guess it depends on what the definition of is is. :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: Kerry, on the other hand, was a war hero Kerry is a phony. That's all. He's a war phony and he's a phony when he continually states that he relates to the common working man. That's why he seeks out wealthy women to marry. He says he will stop jobs from going overseas. Why didn't he start with his wife's company? Bush is a liar. That's all. He's been a liar all his life, and now he's a liar in the White House. He picks liars to work for him, like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice. He was a drunk, shirked his military service, was possibly into cocaine, and has done nothing for the economy or the environment. He was a weak governor of Texas, as are all governors. Finally, his wife, told him to quit drinking or she'd divorce him. To his credit he stop drinking, but took up religion instead. Not much of an improvement, but for someone of his slight mental intellect, better than nothing. Why did Laura sell marijuana? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: There were plenty of aircraft. He used that as an excuse to not show up. Are you slow or what? There was none of the particular aircraft available that the physical was for. Yes there was plenty of aircraft but Bush didn't need to take a physical for those. Are you ignorant? He disobeyed a direct order. Months were added to his service requirement as a result and despite his powerful friends' and family's connections. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: Reserve. Proof positive that Kerry backers no nothing. Not true. Kerry only spent 2 Very true... do you mean *know* nothing? Is English your first language? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 30 Sep 2004 15:54:14 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) said: Finally, his wife, told him to quit drinking or she'd divorce him. To his credit he stop drinking, but took up religion instead. Not much of an improvement Hey, there's another winning line for Kerry. Attack all Christians, Jews and Muslims who believe in their faith. It'll do wonders to cement his atheist base. I think Kerry badly needs you as an adviser. Gee, you got it right, except substitute either Karl Rove or Bush for Kerry. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: I don't think it's a matter of not knowing the facts. It's a matter of not caring about them. What you've got is a bunch of sore losers who think they've been done dirt and are willing to do anything to win. I agree! Bush knows the facts. He just lies about them! I look for this election to be characterized by massive vote fraud concentrated on the Republicans' end of the spectrum in the area of blacks' ballots. They're already trying to set up the smoke screen by making claims about voter "disenfranchisement." It's the old game of trying to point to bad behavior to justify even worse behavior. I made the corrections for you. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 30 Sep 2004 16:37:30 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) said: I look for this election to be characterized by massive vote fraud concentrated on the Republicans' end of the spectrum in the area of blacks' ballots. They're already trying to set up the smoke screen by sending armed officers to the homes of blacks and other minorities involved in voter registration. It's the old game of trying to influence the election in Florida, especially given the latest poles with Bush showing a only a weak lead there. 'Fraid you get an F for editing. Your piece of fiction doesn't even hang together as a tall tail. Ok, here's my latest correction. Let me know. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Vote for Bush if you think these are good things:
.. Bush emptied the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security benefits. .. Bush cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veterans' benefits and military pay. .. Bush eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans and allowed oil prices to rise by 50 percent. .. Bush gave tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in fact, by policy encouraged their departure. .. Bush gave away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without competitive bids. .. Bush involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war, and .. Bush took a budget surplus and turned it into the worst deficit in the history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that will take generations to repay. I hope you all enjoyed your $300 check. I hope you think it was worth it. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
I really hope that Truth and Justice does not forsake you all at
election time. I honestly worry that Bush will create a world war. Cheers Jonathan Ganz wrote: Vote for Bush if you think these are good things: . Bush emptied the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security benefits. . Bush cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veterans' benefits and military pay. . Bush eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans and allowed oil prices to rise by 50 percent. . Bush gave tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in fact, by policy encouraged their departure. . Bush gave away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without competitive bids. . Bush involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war, and . Bush took a budget surplus and turned it into the worst deficit in the history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that will take generations to repay. I hope you all enjoyed your $300 check. I hope you think it was worth it. |
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Nav wrote: I really hope that Truth and Justice does not forsake you all at election time. I honestly worry that Bush will create a world war. Thanks... me too! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
It's the old game of trying to point to
bad behavior to justify even worse behavior. Last election in Baltimore City some neighborhoods had a 100% turnout. Democratcs never bitched about that. What are the odds? A friend who was a poll worker told me dead democrats were voting. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
Read it yourself:
ROFLMAO!!!!! Who's web page is that? But I guess you wouldn't believe the Swift Boat Veterans for truth page. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
SAIL LOCO wrote:
ROFLMAO!!!!! Who's web page is that? But I guess you wouldn't believe the Swift Boat Veterans for truth page. No more than I would believe Pepsi or Coke advertising. DSK |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: It's the old game of trying to point to bad behavior to justify even worse behavior. Last election in Baltimore City some neighborhoods had a 100% turnout. Democratcs never bitched about that. What are the odds? A friend who was a poll worker told me dead democrats were voting. At least they were voting for the right candidate! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: Read it yourself: ROFLMAO!!!!! Who's web page is that? But I guess you wouldn't believe the Swift Boat Veterans for truth page. Who knows, but it's just as reliable as theirs. :-) -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Horvath wrote: On 30 Sep 2004 22:34:04 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote this crap: Got any proof of this crap? I got into the guard, and there was no waiting list.. He's blowing Democratic smoke. He's blowing something, or someone. Horass has lots of experience with blowing someone. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
SAIL LOCO wrote: No, all I'm saying is, like many other vets, is that no one went to Nam and left in 4 months unless they had their leg blown off. Are you sure about this? Does Kerry only have one leg? Cheers |
Jonathan Ganz wrote: In article , SAIL LOCO wrote: Kerry, on the other hand, was a war hero Kerry is a phony. That's all. He's a war phony and he's a phony when he continually states that he relates to the common working man. That's why he seeks out wealthy women to marry. A rather revealing little observation there LOCO. As a complete outsider I would say that Kerry has demonstraed to me greater integrity than Bush. But what can I know except what the press say? Cheers |
Horvath wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:36:55 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote this crap: And before you get your panties in a wad, Kerry also requested an early discharge for the same reason. It also was granted. Except that Kerry was missing for eight years. And no one sent a search party? What are you poeple doing! Cheers |
Donal wrote: Max, From this side of the Atlantic, there appears to be a major difference between the Vietnam records of Bush and Kerry. Your post suggests that you believe that they both displayed an equal amount of courage. I wonder how you can compare the courage of a decorated war hero with the cowardice of a convicted drink driving, draft dodging, drug addict like Bush. That is NOT what they want to hear. I suggest Bush was bingeing to help prevent his fellow aviators from overloading and getting shot down in 'Nam. He gave selflessly of his mind and liver. A true hero. Cheers |
I would say that Kerry has demonstraed to me greater integrity than
Bush... Kerry ........... integrity? Here's a guy who throws other people's medals over the White House fence. LOL.. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
Well, that's better than Bush... driving drunk, in fact, so drunk that he
drove off the road. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... I would say that Kerry has demonstraed to me greater integrity than Bush... Kerry ........... integrity? Here's a guy who throws other people's medals over the White House fence. LOL.. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
"Horvath" wrote
(Jonathan Ganz) wrote : "Competition for the few openings in the National Guard was intense, and there was a waiting list of 100,000 nationally at the time. Got any proof of this crap? I got into the guard, and there was no waiting list. Where? I'm not disagreeing with either of you but each state has NG units and it is very likely some had waiting lists and others did not. It would certainly be in character for LBJ to have the draft quota lowered in selected states and with less threat from the draft board there'd be fewer eager to join the NG. |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
SAIL LOCO wrote: Kerry is a phony. .... Bush is a liar. ..... HEY!!! You're both right! |
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