In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:36:55 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


And before you get your panties in a wad, Kerry also requested an early
discharge for the same reason. It also was granted.


Don't forget that I'm stupid.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!


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In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On 22 Sep 2004 12:07:28 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

And before you get your panties in a wad, Kerry also requested an early
discharge for the same reason. It also was granted.

After he was wounded three times, which is why it was granted.


Bzzzzt! Wrong answer! He was sent stateside after leaving Vietnam.
Then he pulled strings to get an early out. Check the records.

Check your butt. You'll find your boyfriend buried up to his
shoulders.
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You're right. He left VN under the auspices of his three PHs. He then
made a request to leave the military, I believe as you claim. So, he
was upfront about his request, and according to the military
fullfilled his duties. He didn't fail to show up for a physical
against the orders of his commander like someone else.

Right. But both men received honorable discharges, and early ones at that.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

So, I think we really need to hear why he didn't show up, don't you???
I think we can take a good guess, which means that there is a lot of
negative speculation going on for no reason other than he's being
stupid by not saying (stupid or smart I guess).

Tonight Bill O'Reilly talked about his interview with Bush that occurred
today. It will be shown on The Factor on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
O'Reilly said he asked Bush about this very thing, among other things.
Maybe the answer is forthcoming, eh?

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Well, you can't be all bad if someone in your family can think
rationally. :-)

My brother would probably disagree. :-)

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Powerful friends who helped him shirk his duties, helped him overcome
any bad press he was going to get from his commander.

In the several years prior to this supposed failure to report, he
accumulated ten to twenty times the number of points required to remain in
good stead in each year. He flew often. Isn't it just possible that he was
beginning to concentrate on his political career during that last year?

Max

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:01:28 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Powerful friends who helped him shirk his duties, helped him overcome
any bad press he was going to get from his commander.

In the several years prior to this supposed failure to report, he
accumulated ten to twenty times the number of points required to remain in
good stead in each year. He flew often. Isn't it just possible that he was
beginning to concentrate on his political career during that last year?

Max

I don't believe anyone disputes the fact that he met the requirements
of a weekend warrior for the first four years of his six year
obligation. Why his father shipped him off to Alabama in 1972 is a
mystery, but by the accounts of the folks working on that campaign in
Alabama, it certainly wasn't because Bush was serious about "his
political career."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html

In the spring of 1972, George H.W. Bush phoned his friend and asked a
favor: Could Allison find a place on the Senate campaign he was
managing in Alabama for his troublesome eldest son, the 25-year-old
George W. Bush?

"The impression I had was that Georgie was raising a lot of hell in
Houston, getting in trouble and embarrassing the family, and they just
really wanted to get him out of Houston and under Jimmy's wing,"
Allison's widow, Linda, told me. "And Jimmy said, 'Sure.' He was so
loyal."

Linda Allison's story, never before published, contradicts the Bush
campaign's assertion that George W. Bush transferred from the Texas
Air National Guard to the Alabama National Guard in 1972 because he
received an irresistible offer to gain high-level experience on the
campaign of Bush family friend Winton "Red" Blount. In fact, according
to what Allison says her late husband told her, the younger Bush had
become a political liability for his father, who was then the United
States ambassador to the United Nations, and the family wanted him out
of Texas. "I think they wanted someone they trusted to keep an eye on
him."
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When Bush returned to Houston, but not to his unit, he spent several
months doing volunteer work with inner city youth in Operation PULL,
work that sounds suspiciously like community service "volunteer" work
by someone who may well have gotten in trouble with his father, or,
more likely, the law. The rumored 1972 cocaine arrest and the
subsequent changing of his driver's license number connects the dots,
but is not, as yet, provable.

In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You're right. He left VN under the auspices of his three PHs. He then
made a request to leave the military, I believe as you claim. So, he
was upfront about his request, and according to the military
fullfilled his duties. He didn't fail to show up for a physical
against the orders of his commander like someone else.

Right. But both men received honorable discharges, and early ones at that.

But, both me did not serve honorably. Kerry did, according to
Bush. Bush didn't according to several people, including his
own commander.



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In article k.net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Powerful friends who helped him shirk his duties, helped him overcome
any bad press he was going to get from his commander.

In the several years prior to this supposed failure to report, he
accumulated ten to twenty times the number of points required to remain in
good stead in each year. He flew often. Isn't it just possible that he was
beginning to concentrate on his political career during that last year?

Who knows. The point is that he refuses to say. And, he disobeyed
direct orders.


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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 22 Sep 2004 12:08:30 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

The facts in the documents are not in dispute, only the documents
themselves.

That's the kind of sloppy thinking the proponents of the Dems' party line
hope voters will accept. For a more careful reading see

Actually, it's very precise thinking. Just because something is
written down doesn't make it factual or the truth. Of course, the same
goes the other way. Just because something is written down, doesn't
mean it's not the truth or factual, even if MS Word was used instead
of a typewriter.

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