That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Not knowing the area, I have a couple of comments.

I'm not sure you were stand on, given that if there is
any doubt about draft constraint. Also, a tug and
a barge have status in most cases, but again, I don't
know the area.

The tow has no special status unless it declares itself a RAM (Restricted
Ability to Maneuver) and displays the appropraite lights in addition to
the tow
lights..

I don't suppose you have a reference for that. I know SF has a large restricted
area, but I've never seen anything that gives tows status above freighters
except the RAM rule.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.

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www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Not knowing the area, I have a couple of comments.

I'm not sure you were stand on, given that if there is
any doubt about draft constraint. Also, a tug and
a barge have status in most cases, but again, I don't
know the area.

The tow has no special status unless it declares itself a RAM (Restricted
Ability to Maneuver) and displays the appropraite lights in addition to
the tow
lights..

Oh, sorry, not above freighters... I was talking above just about
everything else.

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www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
I don't suppose you have a reference for that. I know SF has a large
restricted
area, but I've never seen anything that gives tows status above freighters
except the RAM rule.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Not knowing the area, I have a couple of comments.

I'm not sure you were stand on, given that if there is
any doubt about draft constraint. Also, a tug and
a barge have status in most cases, but again, I don't
know the area.

The tow has no special status unless it declares itself a RAM
(Restricted
Ability to Maneuver) and displays the appropraite lights in addition
to
the tow
lights..

That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.


they do on LIS as well.

JAXAshby wrote:
That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.



they do on LIS as well.

Says who?

You fictionalizing again Doodles?

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.


I would want to read the nav regs for SF bay before I agreed fully with
that.
I believe the bay has a number of "traffic separation schemes" which
fall under SF traffic and thus "shall not impede" becomes important.
However, this is not a clear "stand-on" condition although many treat it
as such and justifiably so.

otn

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:38:10 GMT, something compelled otnmbrd
, to say:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:
That's not true on the SF bay. Tugs with barges have stand on.


I would want to read the nav regs for SF bay before I agreed fully with
that.
I believe the bay has a number of "traffic separation schemes" which
fall under SF traffic and thus "shall not impede" becomes important.
However, this is not a clear "stand-on" condition although many treat it
as such and justifiably so.


F=MA. It's all you really need to know.