On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:43:58 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave wrote:
I still await an answer.

So am I.

Where were these guys during the primary?
Why is their group a 527 organization, a blatant partisan format?
If they are so interested in being "fair and balanced" then why are they
not looking into President Bush's military record?

Answer: this group is a shill for Bush, bought and paid for by pro-Bush
interests & contributors. It is exactly parallel to the wild insults &
accusations being flung at Howard Dean when *he* was the presumptive
Democrat nominee. For that matter, it's the same as the smear campaign
aimed at John McCain during the 2000 election.

For some people, hate sells. It's the one lesson Bush & Cheney (but
mostly Karl Rove) has learned well.

Looking over the Swift Vets web site, very few of the comments are about
Kerry's performance or character. They mostly focus on how outraged they
were at Kerry protesting the war.

DSK

Well said. I think the following link sheds a bit more light on the
subject...

http://www.mattgunn.com/#swiftboat50504


The republican attack machine has been working overtime trying
everything they can to discredit Kerry on the issue of service. I
wonder why?

Bart Senior wrote:
Keep in mind, President Clinton has not be critical
of President Bush. ....

That is simply untrue. In a TV interview, Clinton did a tongue-in-cheek
display of sympathy for Bush saying things like "I feel his pain (laughter).
I know how bad you can feel when your mistakes get fellow Americans killed."
But when asked if he could ever vote for Bush he replied "NO! He has ruined
the American Economy! .... etc"

Doggie Dave is blind as well as stooopid....

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"Dave" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:43:58 -0400, DSK said:

Dave wrote:
I still await an answer.

So am I.

So you have no evidence whatever for the claim. Just your own unsupported
speculation.

felton wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:41:06 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Joe the humanitarian....

I think the term they use these days is "compassionate conservative"


There are some Republicans who are just as bad, but not as many and
nowhere near as loud-mouthed about it.

I do consider myself a "compassionate conservative".

I will help anyone that will put in the time and effort required to
succeed, if your a freeloader with no goals....... then I have better
things to do.

Some people will never change.

Joe









.... some democrats that I see are.

K-mart wearin, Welfare cheese eating, Koolaid drinking, baby
murdering, Tax Rasing, Hanoi Jane lovin, UN controlled, Barbra S.
listening, prison populating, Al Sharpton Jessie & Micheal Jackson
worshiping, unemployable, beggin, welfare check cashing, food stamp
spending, VW, yugo driving, tree huggin, French smellin, gay
supporting, project or trailor living, crack addicted, flag burning,
un-educated, lazy good for nothing protestors that rather spit on a
sailor, that support him. Poopin babies out as fast as they can to
increase the welfare check so they can buy more crack.


Joe

WASHINGTON - Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), a
former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry
(news - web sites)'s military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged
the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.
The White House declined.


"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an
interview .....

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the
veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad. Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's
swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a
Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates
support the candidate and call him a hero.

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:41:23 -0400, "Vito" wrote:

WASHINGTON - Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), a
former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry
(news - web sites)'s military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged
the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.
The White House declined.


"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an
interview .....

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the
veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad. Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's
swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a
Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates
support the candidate and call him a hero.


It is disgusting. As I mentioned in a previous post, these are the
same sorts of attacks that were unleashed on John McCain last time
around. I guess the only reason they do them is because they work
among the weak minded and unprincipled.

The Swiftboats attack group is the same guy that the Nixon Whitehouse
recruited for the task back in 1971 with the "Viet Nam Veterans for a
Just Peace." John O'Neill, the strawman for this ongoing smear group,
wasn't even in Viet Nam when Kerry was and didn't meet him until they
appeared on the Dick Cavett Show after the war.

Now they want us to disregard Kerry's fitness reports and the
experiences of those who actually served *with* him and put great
weight in the opinions of those who never met him. No thanks.

Kerry enlisted, volunteered and went. Enough said.

It is getting nasty and dirty!!!!

"Vito" wrote in message
...
WASHINGTON - Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), a
former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry
(news - web sites)'s military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and
urged
the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.
The White House declined.


"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an
interview .....

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the
veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad. Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's
swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a
Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates
support the candidate and call him a hero.

"DSK" wrote
Dave wrote:
I still await an answer.

So am I.

If they are so interested in being "fair and balanced" then why are they
not looking into President Bush's military record?

Bush didn't lie about his record. Bush didn't write himself up
for decoration he didn't deserve. Kerry did.

Just for your information, the text in a performance
report is mostly bogus. Everyone gets outstanding
reports. If you don't it's a career killer. In the case
of junior officers, these are typical reports for everyone.
Chances are Kerry wrote his own fitness reports
because his supervisors didn't have the time, nor did
they likely feel such junior officer reports mattered.

"felton" wrote

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:43:58 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave wrote:
I still await an answer.

So am I.

Where were these guys during the primary?
Why is their group a 527 organization, a blatant partisan format?
If they are so interested in being "fair and balanced" then why are they
not looking into President Bush's military record?

Answer: this group is a shill for Bush, bought and paid for by pro-Bush
interests & contributors. It is exactly parallel to the wild insults &
accusations being flung at Howard Dean when *he* was the presumptive
Democrat nominee. For that matter, it's the same as the smear campaign
aimed at John McCain during the 2000 election.

For some people, hate sells. It's the one lesson Bush & Cheney (but
mostly Karl Rove) has learned well.

Looking over the Swift Vets web site, very few of the comments are about
Kerry's performance or character. They mostly focus on how outraged they
were at Kerry protesting the war.

DSK

Well said. I think the following link sheds a bit more light on the
subject...

http://www.mattgunn.com/#swiftboat50504


The republican attack machine has been working overtime trying
everything they can to discredit Kerry on the issue of service. I
wonder why?

Yeah right... like Carl Rove? Like Ashcroft who annointed
himself with oil? Like Wolfy and Pearl? A compassionate
conservative racist... now there's a concept.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
felton wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:41:06 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Joe the humanitarian....

I think the term they use these days is "compassionate conservative"


There are some Republicans who are just as bad, but not as many and
nowhere near as loud-mouthed about it.

I do consider myself a "compassionate conservative".

I will help anyone that will put in the time and effort required to
succeed, if your a freeloader with no goals....... then I have better
things to do.

Some people will never change.

Joe









.... some democrats that I see are.

K-mart wearin, Welfare cheese eating, Koolaid drinking, baby
murdering, Tax Rasing, Hanoi Jane lovin, UN controlled, Barbra S.
listening, prison populating, Al Sharpton Jessie & Micheal Jackson
worshiping, unemployable, beggin, welfare check cashing, food stamp
spending, VW, yugo driving, tree huggin, French smellin, gay
supporting, project or trailor living, crack addicted, flag burning,
un-educated, lazy good for nothing protestors that rather spit on a
sailor, that support him. Poopin babies out as fast as they can to
increase the welfare check so they can buy more crack.


Joe