Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| Winston Churchill, when notified of the beginning of an attack by German
| buzz bombs, told his aide that he was going to finish his cigar before
going
| to the bomb shelter. He did this repeatedly, ostensibly because smoking
was
| disallowed in the shelters. So can we presume that Churchill's brain
was
| malfunctioning as well, and that he, too, was a semi-literate idiot?

Not the same at all....
Winston knew the full extent... this was not news.... it was a regular
occurence during the war!

His untimely death could have altered the course of the war in Europe. IMO
his cavalier attitude to bombs exploding all around him was far more
egregious than Bush's 7 minutes delay to read to the kids.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


It goes both ways... any vets that don't support Kerry are
right wing wackos in the employ of Bu****. Those that do
are lying.

Why is it that either group of vets must be branded liars. Personally I
think they both deserve our respect, including Kerry, for fighting in
Vietnam, especially when many, like Clinton, ran off to Canada or Europe to
avoid service. Further I suspect their respective versions of Kerry's
service is how they remember the time period and the people involved. Time
to quit calling our servicemen "liars" and give them their due. It's long
OVERdue.

Max

OT Dave is a poodle
 

Katy,

You are passing an awful lot of Breeds with one brush stoke.

Terriers, Hounds, Bassets, are just a few I'd rate with the poodle. Rate
them over Poodles. You have to consider what they have been bred for

Just my comments. Don't want to get into an other OT discussion.

Ole Thom

OT Dave is a poodle
 

Our Rhodesian Ridgeback would make mincemeat out of your little gay poodle!

6 months old and 60 lbs... taller than a Lab!
A Lion Hunter by Trade!
Her bark scares the skin off most people!

CM

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Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

I agree... except for the Clinton bashing... he didn't run from
service any more than Bush, Rumsfeld, or Cheney ran.

In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:

Why is it that either group of vets must be branded liars. Personally I
think they both deserve our respect, including Kerry, for fighting in
Vietnam, especially when many, like Clinton, ran off to Canada or Europe to
avoid service. Further I suspect their respective versions of Kerry's
service is how they remember the time period and the people involved. Time
to quit calling our servicemen "liars" and give them their due. It's long
OVERdue.

Max




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OT Dave is a poodle
 

Oh Yea! A pooch like Katy's killed an enormous 200 pound Rotty here the
other day! Got caught in the rotty's throat going down and choked him to
death! (c:

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Our Rhodesian Ridgeback would make mincemeat out of your little gay
poodle!

6 months old and 60 lbs... taller than a Lab!
A Lion Hunter by Trade!
Her bark scares the skin off most people!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

....................
Do you want to rephrase your question... my politics makes
just as much a difference as anyone elses.

sure i'll rephrase it so you can understand it:

ganz, your a classic case of a little weenie posting a mile a minute about
nothing.

yeah sure your "politics" matter.

gf.

OT Dave is a poodle
 

Terriers, Hounds, Bassets, are just a few I'd rate with the poodle. Rate
them over Poodles. You have to consider what they have been bred for

The problem is, Thom, that you are looking at specific members of breeds you
have known...yes, there are exceptional qualities to each breed, but when
the industry and science look at the breeds of dogs over the world, the
results are that border collies are number 1 and standard poodles are number
two in the rankings...as a breed whole....I've seen several jack Russell's
that think their owners under the table all the time, but then again, I have
seen several that are dumber than a box of rocks...in general, according to
the experts, hounds do not fit the category of "smart"...they perform their
personal functions as dogs very well,, they track...but have you ever tried
to teach an afghan hound anything beyond coursing? They are, as a breed
whole, lovable but stupid. (Now all the afghan hound people are going to
come out and slay me...go look up the statistics people)
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Our Rhodesian Ridgeback would make mincemeat out of your little gay poodle

My "little" poodle weighs in at 65 lbs. And yes, an enraged ridgeback would
tear apart a poodle, seeing that poodles are basically non-aggressive. But
my poodle would outthink your ridgeback. The question isn't whether brawn
equals intelligence, Mooron. BTW, you injecting testosterone lately?
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Oh Yea! A pooch like Katy's killed an enormous 200 pound Rotty here the
other day! Got caught in the rotty's throat going down and choked him to
death! (c:

My daughter has 4 rotty's...none of them would be capable of swallowing my
65lb poodle (who stands taller than they do at the shoulder) and none of
them would even want to....the only dogs my particular poodle has problems
with are one individual chocolate cocker spaniel, to remain nameless....
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Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

oh....there was smoke and debris?
............front row center, so to speak.

agree for the most part with your assessment of bush / kerry / and wieners.

have not been to canada in some years
remember traveling thru the ontario/ toronto / montreal for a few months..
great place.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Good Grief..... gf!!

You saw that live?
Through all the smoke and debris?
The world saw it via television and were collectively as appaled and
shocked.
They were backing the USA 1000% on Afghanistan... and getting Osama.

Problem is your president decided to line his pockets on the tragedy of
thousands and steer the course to Saddam when the initial goal proved to
difficult to accomplish. Then he opened his mouth and alienated half the
globe that was with him in the first place.

I'm not Conservative.... but I have some conservative traits
I'm not Liberal... but I harbour some liberal traits

I'm Canadian .. and we'll not soon forget how you turned on us when we
elected not to ride the car to the bottom of the cliff with you after
repeated warnings you were headed to a dangerous area.

Either way I know an idiot when I see one... and Bush is a spoon fed royal
idiot.
Then again Kerry.... well frankly I can't see him as much moore than a
flaccid tallywhacker for the tree huggers.

Although I would hate to see Bush reelected... you can't stop a fight and
tag a wiener into the ring... the opposition would have a field day!

You are stuck with Bush for another 4 years..... like it as not.

CM

OT Dave is a poodle
 

Katy,

I'm not putting Poodles down. They are smart, lovable companion but they
have their slow witted member also.

The two dumbest dogs I've ever seen were a matched pair of Std Poodles.
They also were probably the most loveable two dogs I've ever seen.

I was only in my teens and working in kennels. It was an awful time for
dogs. The early days of WW2. Their masters were be Drafted and the dog
people were going crazy finding homes for them. Std sized Poodles were a
problem due to size. These two lived with me for close to a year before
I found a home for them. Loveable they were but smart they were not.

Now, I'll have to ask this question again.
How do you give a dog an IQ test? What are the standards that are used?

I'm sorry about getting into another Off Topic discussion but Dogs are
very close to Sailing with me. They certainly rate better than politics

Ole Thom

OT Dave is a poodle
 

MC,

Your Ridgeback is probably a smart dog BUT damn it, your not talking
about it smarts but it's fighting ability. I'm not saying you're wrong
if you need that kind of a dog.

I, myself, prefer a social animal that enjoys people and other dogs. A
dog that doesn't try to screw every leg it sees. Has a good command of
the spoken word and is good company for me and my friends.

Your Ridgeback is a good dog but it is a one man's dog, usually. Would
prefer to take the world with just you and him. Not for me but that
doesn't mean he isn't a top dog if he is that TO YOU!

Ole Thom

OT Dave is a poodle
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
| Our Rhodesian Ridgeback would make mincemeat out of your little gay
| poodle!
|
| 6 months old and 60 lbs... taller than a Lab!
| A Lion Hunter by Trade!
| Her bark scares the skin off most people!
|
| But can he stop a .38 bullet?

Nope... but she can hunt lions and they can easily stop a .38 without a
problem and very minimal damage. Anyway.. everyone knows a .38 is a ladies
round! Ya Pansy!

CM

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Let me rephrase it for you...

Fishboy, you're a classic case of a non-sailor, subhuman turd that
polutes everything he touches, whether or not you post.

Yeah, you're politics don't matter and you're an idiot.

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

...................
Do you want to rephrase your question... my politics makes
just as much a difference as anyone elses.

sure i'll rephrase it so you can understand it:

ganz, your a classic case of a little weenie posting a mile a minute about
nothing.

yeah sure your "politics" matter.

gf.




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Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
oh....there was smoke and debris?
...........front row center, so to speak.

agree for the most part with your assessment of bush / kerry / and wieners.

have not been to canada in some years
remember traveling thru the ontario/ toronto / montreal for a few months..
great place.

I suggest you take a long walk on a short dock.


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OT Dave is a poodle
 

The two dumbest dogs I've ever seen were a matched pair of Std Poodles.

Like I said...you are referring to individuals and not to the
breed...overall the breed is rated as number 2 by experts in the dog
world...

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How do you give a dog an IQ test? What are the standards that are used?

The "Bible" of the dog world on this subject is:
_The Intelligence of Dogs: Canine Consciousness and Capabilities_ by Stanley
Coren, a psychologist. It is not a dry treatise on the subject, but is
insightful.
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OT Dave is a poodle
 

In reality, the best dog suited for family and social living are not smart
breeds but the middle of the row breeds....people get into trouble when they
know little about dog handling and buy smart breeds...oftentimes the dog
becomes neurotic or dangerous because of its' owners ignorance....

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"katysails" wrote in message

BTW, you injecting testosterone lately?

Nah... I figure it's summer so the levels are naturally increased. I'm not
doing anything different but cripes... the muscles are bulking up, toning
out and I feel full of energy. I doubt I'm getting more than 4 hours sleep a
night. I feel fresh in the morning and seem to have more strength and a much
lower threshold for differing viewpoints. I'm much more competitive lately.
I'm also way more aggressive than usual.... but then I guess you noticed
that Huh. ;-)

I'll probably go into winter hibernation mode in a month or so and level
out. again. At least I hope so.

I most likely just need to get laid really good.... and frankly I haven't
had the time lately. Plus... I think I might be scaring the girls due to the
overload of pheromones.....

The other day I came just this close to jumping a fence and punching out a
pit bull barking at me! What's up with Dat!!??

...and No.. I'm not on steroids.... I still faint at the sight of a needle.

CM

OT Dave is a poodle
 

This dog is lovable and has a keen sense of humor. It's bark is awesome
though. It is not at all aggressive. It's a coursing hound. Mind you it's a
big dog... she should go 90 lbs when full grown.

It's never the dog you have to worry about... it's the owner.

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
| MC,
|
| Your Ridgeback is probably a smart dog BUT damn it, your not talking
| about it smarts but it's fighting ability. I'm not saying you're wrong
| if you need that kind of a dog.
|
| I, myself, prefer a social animal that enjoys people and other dogs. A
| dog that doesn't try to screw every leg it sees. Has a good command of
| the spoken word and is good company for me and my friends.
|
| Your Ridgeback is a good dog but it is a one man's dog, usually. Would
| prefer to take the world with just you and him. Not for me but that
| doesn't mean he isn't a top dog if he is that TO YOU!
|
| Ole Thom
|

OT Dave is a poodle
 

A friend of mine had a dog, which I believe was some
kind of terrier... it had some brain surgery, and
when they got done, it looked like a punk rocker
with spiked hair. It was pretty dumb to begin
with, hense the name Bongo, but after, the only
way you could tell it recognized you was when
it blinked. That was one strange dog. Someone
finally ran it over in driveway. Too stupid to get
out of the way when the car started... liked to
sleep next to the back tire.


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OT Dave is a poodle
 

...and No.. I'm not on steroids.... I still faint at the sight of a needle.

Maybe you are and you just don't know it...have allergies? some allergy
medications are steroid based....

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Nope... no medication at all... No vitamins.... I don't even take aspirin. I
can't remember when I've ever had a headache [that wasn't induced by a
hangover].
I haven't been to a doctor in several years.

I drink a bottle of overproof rum a week and about a couple dozen beer in
the same time frame... I smoke cigarettes and toke . I've done this regime
most of my adult life. BP is bang on and pulse is avg. 52 resting. My last
physical showed me to be in good health. [got the smoking speech though] I
can hold my breath for 3 minutes diving. I can rip 60 inclined sit ups on a
bench in a minute.

I eat once a day and feel great. Some days I forget to eat.... well barring
the barley sandwiches! ;-)

I weigh in at 170 now at 5'10". Last summer I felt rather lazy and wasn't
quite as keen.

Oh well... 50 is rolling up next year... that should help slow me down a bit
Eh?!

CM


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| ..and No.. I'm not on steroids.... I still faint at the sight of a needle.
|
| Maybe you are and you just don't know it...have allergies? some allergy
| medications are steroid based....
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Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

that would be called swimming
gf.

I suggest you take a long walk on a short dock.


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Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

That would require a brain capable of coordinating
the motions involved. You haven't evolved to that
level yet.

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
that would be called swimming
gf.

I suggest you take a long walk on a short dock.


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"katysails" wrote in...
In reality, the best dog suited for family and social living are not
smart
breeds but the middle of the row breeds....people get into trouble
when they
know little about dog handling and buy smart breeds...oftentimes the
dog
becomes neurotic or dangerous because of its' owners ignorance....

It's embarrassing when a dog is smarter than it's owner, eh Mooron....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

| It's embarrassing when a dog is smarter than it's owner, eh
Mooron....


.... Oh! You meant me!!??? Ha Ha Ha
no it's my brother's dog...

and did he explain it to you?


I was married once!!

So was I, still am. ;)



Then again I'm certain you know of what I speak.... does your
training
collar chafe of does it just hurt when the electrodes fire near the
perimeter fence? ;-)

Neither. I'm so used to it.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote

| .... Oh! You meant me!!??? Ha Ha Ha
| no it's my brother's dog...
|
| and did he explain it to you?

No the dog is too busy doing my accounting and prepping my tax
receipts.
That stuff is so confusing! ;-)

You pay taxes in Canaduh?!?

You ACTUALLY pay to live up there?!??

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:
This dog is lovable and has a keen sense of humor. It's bark is awesome
though. It is not at all aggressive. It's a coursing hound. Mind you it's
a
big dog... she should go 90 lbs when full grown.

My Ridgeback went for an Exxon tiger billboard....good thing it wasn't a
lion!

Seahag

"Seahag" wrote in message

| My Ridgeback went for an Exxon tiger billboard....good thing it wasn't a
| lion!

Kewl!!... this pup is only 6 mths old and taller than a lab already. To date
she has reached a stalemate with our goose. The dog barking and the goose
hissing.... it's too funny!

CM

CM,

I'm a Yank but have the same traits!

I think we probably do as good a job at self government as any
government on the Globe. We do have a couple of weakness in our system.
The weakness are named Republican and Democrat. They are also our
strength.

The two party system, at times, runs our government by their control of
the candidate they offer us as choices. We do have a system that kicks
in every four years (Election) At times some one breaks thru the two
party system and forces Party backing. Pretty much like Kerry did this
time. He cornered the nomination and forced Party endorsement.

I'm hoping he is the right man at the right time

Ole Thom

Well we have several Parties here in Canada... Liberals, conservatives, New
Democrats [Socialist], Green Party [Environmentalists], Marijuana Party [one
agenda/single platform]

They are not backed by big business and we have very limited lobby groups.

Still.. with this wide field of candidates a lot of people vote the way
their parents did. The Conservative and Liberal parties generally run the
show. This year we have a Minority Government. The elected Party is required
to work with one or both of the other major seat holders to pass
legislation. This forces party based agendas to the back and addresses
important issues.

None of the current candidates would be my choice for Prime Minister... but
it seems a saner system than what you have in the USA.

I dislike Bush because of his personal agenda and plethora of errors in
governing.... but I can't really say I hold much respect for his
opponent... he's a lot like Bush but sits on the other side of the see-saw.
What you folks need desperately now is Balance. Re-Establish your global
respect and go after these terrorists with a plan that involves the past
friends and allies you alienated under Bush's command.

You cannot successfully engage this war against terrorism unless you lead
everyone to the battle. The way it is now.. the terrorists have you fencing
yourselves in and are having the effect they want by forcing you to give up
the rights and freedoms of liberty to protect yourselves from attack.

Bush is incapable of this and thusly he is useless to you... Kerry is
unproven! I do like his running mate though.... came up through the ranks
and fought for what he got. Young blood and good ideals.

Best of Luck on your elections.... Canadians follow your election process
and candidates.... it's time you folks paid closer attention to the global
community.... information is the real power!

CM




"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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| CM,
|
| I'm a Yank but have the same traits!
|
| I think we probably do as good a job at self government as any
| government on the Globe. We do have a couple of weakness in our system.
| The weakness are named Republican and Democrat. They are also our
| strength.
|
| The two party system, at times, runs our government by their control of
| the candidate they offer us as choices. We do have a system that kicks
| in every four years (Election) At times some one breaks thru the two
| party system and forces Party backing. Pretty much like Kerry did this
| time. He cornered the nomination and forced Party endorsement.
|
| I'm hoping he is the right man at the right time
|
| Ole Thom
|

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| It's embarrassing when a dog is smarter than it's owner, eh Mooron....

It must drive Loco NUTS... so to speak.

..... Oh! You meant me!!??? Ha Ha Ha
no it's my brother's dog... but it's not like I have any pride left... I was
married once!!

Then again I'm certain you know of what I speak.... does your training
collar chafe of does it just hurt when the electrodes fire near the
perimeter fence? ;-)

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote

| .... Oh! You meant me!!??? Ha Ha Ha
| no it's my brother's dog...
|
| and did he explain it to you?

No the dog is too busy doing my accounting and prepping my tax receipts.
That stuff is so confusing! ;-)

CM

decisions decisions
lets see: there is this amazing women here for the weekend
and then there is a ganz on my computer interested in an argument.

what to do?
geeze this is a really tough one..........

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
That would require a brain capable of coordinating
the motions involved. You haven't evolved to that
level yet.

In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
that would be called swimming
gf.

I suggest you take a long walk on a short dock.


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http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."





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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| You pay taxes in Canaduh?!?
|
| You ACTUALLY pay to live up there?!??

Unless you're Rich.... then you don't pay anything.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in message

| My Ridgeback went for an Exxon tiger billboard....good thing it wasn't a
| lion!

Kewl!!... this pup is only 6 mths old and taller than a lab already. To
date
she has reached a stalemate with our goose. The dog barking and the goose
hissing.... it's too funny!

Butt in the air I'll wager!
Scupper had a bad reaction to his shots last week, scared the heck out of
me. He's OK now, but he was really in pain and breathing rapidly.

Seahag

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
decisions decisions
lets see: there is this amazing women here for the weekend
and then there is a ganz on my computer interested in an argument.

what to do?
geeze this is a really tough one..........

I'm honored, but not interested.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

your editing is a typical liberal response
it is called sensorship

swimming
sensorship
what next?
i suppose you need sailing explained
baahwhahahahahawa
ganz a sailor



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
decisions decisions
lets see: there is this amazing women here for the weekend
and then there is a ganz on my computer interested in an argument.

what to do?
geeze this is a really tough one..........

I'm honored, but not interested.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."