Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of
falsehood?

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

What you've ignored, Bart, is that the left-wing radicals, such as Doug,
believe everything in F911, despite the substantial evidence that it is
little more than distorted and dishonest propaganda.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist. They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not. And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of
falsehood?

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

What you've ignored, Bart, is that the left-wing radicals, such as Doug,
believe everything in F911, despite the substantial evidence that it is
little more than distorted and dishonest propaganda.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served
and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist. They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not. And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of
falsehood?

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

What you've ignored, Bart, is that the left-wing radicals, such as Doug,
believe everything in F911, despite the substantial evidence that it is
little more than distorted and dishonest propaganda.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much rhetoric
coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not.

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He
certainly is no centrist, nor is John E. This is the most liberal ticket
the democrats have had since McGovern.

And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

Traditionally liberals have a tough time getting elected in this country, at
least since LBJ. Even Clinton saw this and placed his campaign rhetoric
only slightly left of center. Kerry simply has too much baggage to pass
himself off as a centrist. He is a liberal, and he seems to make no bones
about it. If one is for bigger government and higher taxes, he's their man.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

You are obviously no student of human nature, Jon. Have you forgotten all
the flak Clinton took during his 8 years? Do you honestly believe Rush
Limbaugh will be "silent" following a Kerry victory? LOL.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:09:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served

He was a fighter pilot, dumbass. It takes years of training to become
a pilot, you stupid dumbass.

and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.


He was an excellant governor, and an excellant president, especially
in time of a crisis. And he was an excellant businessman. You're
just a gay liberal, who can't accept the truth.


Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.


Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him from much of America with that.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

certainly is no centrist, nor is John E. This is the most liberal ticket
the democrats have had since McGovern.

Traditionally liberals have a tough time getting elected in this country,
at
least since LBJ. Even Clinton saw this and placed his campaign rhetoric
only slightly left of center. Kerry simply has too much baggage to pass
himself off as a centrist. He is a liberal, and he seems to make no bones
about it. If one is for bigger government and higher taxes, he's their
man.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Limbaugh would be counting the day;'s until the next
election, and begin every day with telling everyone
"XX days of Kerry tyranny to go."

What do you think the extremist liberals will do,
when Kerry loses? They will scream the election
was fixed and start impeachment proceedings.

What the country needs right now is continuity,
not change.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

You are obviously no student of human nature, Jon. Have you forgotten all
the flak Clinton took during his 8 years? Do you honestly believe Rush
Limbaugh will be "silent" following a Kerry victory? LOL.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Horvath" wrote

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:09:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served

He was a fighter pilot, dumbass. It takes years of training to become
a pilot, you stupid dumbass.

If I had a chance to be a fighter pilot, I'd pick
that over anything else. I couldn't qualify, because
of my eyesight. I was offered a back seat in an
F-4 with the Marines, maybe I should have taken
that.

and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.

Is Jon still whining about GWB's physical? Do you
know how many times I ducked things like that. I
got sick every time I had a flu shot and finally made
a deal with the fellow who gave shots. We'd talk
for 30 minutes, he'd pretend he forgot, and ask me if
he gave me the shot already, and I'd say yes, and he'd
send me on my way!

The reserves are even more relaxed than active duty.

Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.

Jon doesn't have a gun. Maybe a water pistol.

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Bart Senior wrote:
"Horvath" wrote
Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you (Jon) put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.

Jon doesn't have a gun. Maybe a water pistol.

Scared of guns?

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:36:17 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced him, I'd feel a lot
better about Kerry. When he didn't I had to place him over there with
Moore. Kerry really isolated him from much of America with that.

Now, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is really scary. If Bush had denounced
them, I'd feel a lot better about Bush. When he didn't, I had to place
him over there with Spaeth. Bush really isolated himself from much of
America with that.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial...06/1054623.asp

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

Limbaugh would be counting the day;'s until the next
election, and begin every day with telling everyone
"XX days of Kerry tyranny to go."

What do you think the extremist liberals will do,
when Kerry loses? They will scream the election
was fixed and start impeachment proceedings.

What the country needs right now is continuity,
not change.

What the country really needs is an administration that will unite rather
than polarize the country. Sadly neither Bush nor Kerry will fit that role.
Even worse, it will probably take another brutal attack by terrorists to
unite the country, but, as before, that unity will be short lived, with
recriminations starting soon afterward.

Katysails said it best: (to paraphrase) when one is faced with two
undesirable alternatives, stick with the one with which you are familiar.
Bush.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Horvath" wrote in message


dumbass.
dumbass.

You certainly like that term, doncha? Why not shut up and quit making
conservatives look so stupid.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message


"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly
is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much
rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from
the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him(self) from much of America with that.

I agree to a point. The other day Kerry was voicing his outrage that W
spent 7 more minutes reading to school children after being informed that
the WTC had been attacked. THAT is right out of F911. Kerry claims that HE
would have excused himself and gotten down to business. Doing what????
What could seven minutes have allowed him to do, especially since everyone
was waiting for more info at that point. Kerry's bone of contention is a
very minor point at best, and one without any particular merit. But he has
so little to work with this campaign that he'll jump on anything, including
something as silly as this. But he needs to use caution: if the middle
ground folks (that vaunted "undecided" zone) think he's associated with the
LW extremists, he could hurt himself more than help. My personal take:
Bush demonstrated calm and cool under fire. Rather than simply react, he
continued his job at hand and then left. The left loves to call
conservatives "reactionaries." Hmmm.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

. . . which is precisely what scares me most about him. With a democrat
majority in one or both houses, he could dismanted much of the good works of
many past presidents and congresses. He could plunge us into even greater
debt at the government feeding trough for those who choose not to be
productive. He could dismantle an already abbreviated military. And he
could clog the Supreme Court with liberals for another several decades.
THAT is what scares me most. The Constitution could ultimately end up being
as unimportant as Bill Clinton's book, God could be a word not allowed to be
spoken in public, and Roe vs. Wade could be expanded to include children up
to and including one year of age, if undesirable to their parents. :-o
(Sorry, there's no emoticon for 'tongue-in-cheek,' but you get my drift.)

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

You really think so? That's akin to attempting to hide an elephant behind
the drapes. Only the pathologically stupid would take Kerry or Edwards for
centrists. If they are trying to talk the centrist talk, then it's
contingent upon the Bush campaign to point out the truth.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"thunder" wrote in message

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:36:17 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced him, I'd feel a lot
better about Kerry. When he didn't I had to place him over there with
Moore. Kerry really isolated him from much of America with that.

Now, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is really scary. If Bush had denounced
them, I'd feel a lot better about Bush. When he didn't, I had to place
him over there with Spaeth. Bush really isolated himself from much of
America with that.

Guess that makes both sides about even, eh?

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

S-h-h-h-h.... he's a Liberal Mole... planted deep within the Conservative
agenda. It's his job to make all Conservatives look like inbred idiots!!

He was doing a bang up job till you slipped up!

CM

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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|
| "Horvath" wrote in message
|
|
| dumbass.
| dumbass.
|
| You certainly like that term, doncha? Why not shut up and quit making
| conservatives look so stupid.
|
| Max
|
|

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

My personal choice would be McCain.

Of the Democrats, I like Lieberman the best.

Niether of these two scare me.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

Limbaugh would be counting the day;'s until the next
election, and begin every day with telling everyone
"XX days of Kerry tyranny to go."

What do you think the extremist liberals will do,
when Kerry loses? They will scream the election
was fixed and start impeachment proceedings.

What the country needs right now is continuity,
not change.

What the country really needs is an administration that will unite rather
than polarize the country. Sadly neither Bush nor Kerry will fit that
role.
Even worse, it will probably take another brutal attack by terrorists to
unite the country, but, as before, that unity will be short lived, with
recriminations starting soon afterward.

Katysails said it best: (to paraphrase) when one is faced with two
undesirable alternatives, stick with the one with which you are familiar.
Bush.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

No. I mean you guys.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

You are obviously no student of human nature, Jon. Have you forgotten all
the flak Clinton took during his 8 years? Do you honestly believe Rush
Limbaugh will be "silent" following a Kerry victory? LOL.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Well, the democrats probably will if it's anything like
Florida. Maybe we can get the president of diebold
to stop making huge contributions to the republicans.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
Limbaugh would be counting the day;'s until the next
election, and begin every day with telling everyone
"XX days of Kerry tyranny to go."

What do you think the extremist liberals will do,
when Kerry loses? They will scream the election
was fixed and start impeachment proceedings.

What the country needs right now is continuity,
not change.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

You are obviously no student of human nature, Jon. Have you forgotten
all
the flak Clinton took during his 8 years? Do you honestly believe Rush
Limbaugh will be "silent" following a Kerry victory? LOL.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Kerry didn't seem to have any problems uniting his swift boat
crew, nor did he have trouble in the senate. Bush didn't have
any trouble uniting the cops that pulled him over for being
drunk. I don't see your point.

--
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

Limbaugh would be counting the day;'s until the next
election, and begin every day with telling everyone
"XX days of Kerry tyranny to go."

What do you think the extremist liberals will do,
when Kerry loses? They will scream the election
was fixed and start impeachment proceedings.

What the country needs right now is continuity,
not change.

What the country really needs is an administration that will unite rather
than polarize the country. Sadly neither Bush nor Kerry will fit that
role.
Even worse, it will probably take another brutal attack by terrorists to
unite the country, but, as before, that unity will be short lived, with
recriminations starting soon afterward.

Katysails said it best: (to paraphrase) when one is faced with two
undesirable alternatives, stick with the one with which you are familiar.
Bush.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

But you scare us.

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www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
My personal choice would be McCain.

Of the Democrats, I like Lieberman the best.

Niether of these two scare me.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

Limbaugh would be counting the day;'s until the next
election, and begin every day with telling everyone
"XX days of Kerry tyranny to go."

What do you think the extremist liberals will do,
when Kerry loses? They will scream the election
was fixed and start impeachment proceedings.

What the country needs right now is continuity,
not change.

What the country really needs is an administration that will unite
rather
than polarize the country. Sadly neither Bush nor Kerry will fit that
role.
Even worse, it will probably take another brutal attack by terrorists to
unite the country, but, as before, that unity will be short lived, with
recriminations starting soon afterward.

Katysails said it best: (to paraphrase) when one is faced with two
undesirable alternatives, stick with the one with which you are
familiar.
Bush.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

A fighter pilot that never showed up for his fitness physical.

He was a weak governer by design, since Texas has by
law weak governors.

Yes, you are a dumbass.

I'm glad I annoy you. It really makes my life worth living.

BTW, you have a piece of crap hunter that you pretend
to sail.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:09:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served

He was a fighter pilot, dumbass. It takes years of training to become
a pilot, you stupid dumbass.

and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.


He was an excellant governor, and an excellant president, especially
in time of a crisis. And he was an excellant businessman. You're
just a gay liberal, who can't accept the truth.


Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.


Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

So, what you're saying is that it was ok for Bush to squander
his opportunity to be a pilot, which he did by failing to show
and was thus classified as unfit.

Basically, Bush decided that rather than lie about his alcohol
and drug abuse problem, he would just flake on the physical.
Typical for a drug addict... probably you should confirm
with Rush though.

Try and break in my house, and I'll put a cap in your ass as
you try and run away.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
"Horvath" wrote

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:09:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served

He was a fighter pilot, dumbass. It takes years of training to become
a pilot, you stupid dumbass.

If I had a chance to be a fighter pilot, I'd pick
that over anything else. I couldn't qualify, because
of my eyesight. I was offered a back seat in an
F-4 with the Marines, maybe I should have taken
that.

and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.

Is Jon still whining about GWB's physical? Do you
know how many times I ducked things like that. I
got sick every time I had a flu shot and finally made
a deal with the fellow who gave shots. We'd talk
for 30 minutes, he'd pretend he forgot, and ask me if
he gave me the shot already, and I'd say yes, and he'd
send me on my way!

The reserves are even more relaxed than active duty.

Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.

Jon doesn't have a gun. Maybe a water pistol.

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Only sockpuppets like you.

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"Bald'n Fugley" wrote in message
...
Bart Senior wrote:
"Horvath" wrote
Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you (Jon)
put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.

Jon doesn't have a gun. Maybe a water pistol.

Scared of guns?

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

hahahahahaha.... please don't tell him to do that! It's just
too much fun!

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Horvath" wrote in message


dumbass.
dumbass.

You certainly like that term, doncha? Why not shut up and quit making
conservatives look so stupid.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

We shall see.....

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much rhetoric
coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not.

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He
certainly is no centrist, nor is John E. This is the most liberal ticket
the democrats have had since McGovern.

And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

Traditionally liberals have a tough time getting elected in this country,
at
least since LBJ. Even Clinton saw this and placed his campaign rhetoric
only slightly left of center. Kerry simply has too much baggage to pass
himself off as a centrist. He is a liberal, and he seems to make no bones
about it. If one is for bigger government and higher taxes, he's their
man.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Not even close... the right-wing hate machine is just getting
revved up.

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On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:36:17 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced him, I'd feel a lot
better about Kerry. When he didn't I had to place him over there with
Moore. Kerry really isolated him from much of America with that.

Now, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is really scary. If Bush had
denounced
them, I'd feel a lot better about Bush. When he didn't, I had to place
him over there with Spaeth. Bush really isolated himself from much of
America with that.

Guess that makes both sides about even, eh?

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there??? Is that what
you would have done? My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message


"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly
is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much
rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from
the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
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Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him(self) from much of America with that.

I agree to a point. The other day Kerry was voicing his outrage that W
spent 7 more minutes reading to school children after being informed that
the WTC had been attacked. THAT is right out of F911. Kerry claims that
HE
would have excused himself and gotten down to business. Doing what????
What could seven minutes have allowed him to do, especially since everyone
was waiting for more info at that point. Kerry's bone of contention is a
very minor point at best, and one without any particular merit. But he
has
so little to work with this campaign that he'll jump on anything,
including
something as silly as this. But he needs to use caution: if the middle
ground folks (that vaunted "undecided" zone) think he's associated with
the
LW extremists, he could hurt himself more than help. My personal take:
Bush demonstrated calm and cool under fire. Rather than simply react, he
continued his job at hand and then left. The left loves to call
conservatives "reactionaries." Hmmm.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

. . . which is precisely what scares me most about him. With a democrat
majority in one or both houses, he could dismanted much of the good works
of
many past presidents and congresses. He could plunge us into even greater
debt at the government feeding trough for those who choose not to be
productive. He could dismantle an already abbreviated military. And he
could clog the Supreme Court with liberals for another several decades.
THAT is what scares me most. The Constitution could ultimately end up
being
as unimportant as Bill Clinton's book, God could be a word not allowed to
be
spoken in public, and Roe vs. Wade could be expanded to include children
up
to and including one year of age, if undesirable to their parents. :-o
(Sorry, there's no emoticon for 'tongue-in-cheek,' but you get my drift.)

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

You really think so? That's akin to attempting to hide an elephant behind
the drapes. Only the pathologically stupid would take Kerry or Edwards
for
centrists. If they are trying to talk the centrist talk, then it's
contingent upon the Bush campaign to point out the truth.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:40:43 GMT, "Maxprop"
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"Horvath" wrote in message


dumbass.
dumbass.

You certainly like that term, doncha? Why not shut up and quit making
conservatives look so stupid.

Max



Don't tell me what to do, dumbass.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

That's right Max, don't tell him what to do. Please!

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:40:43 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


"Horvath" wrote in message


dumbass.
dumbass.

You certainly like that term, doncha? Why not shut up and quit making
conservatives look so stupid.

Max



Don't tell me what to do, dumbass.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

S-h-h-h-h.... he's a Liberal Mole... planted deep within the Conservative
agenda. It's his job to make all Conservatives look like inbred idiots!!

He's accomplishing his goal with aplomb.


He was doing a bang up job till you slipped up!

Guess I sorta slipped up the same way John Dean did in front of the
Watergate committee.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Horvath" wrote in message

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:40:43 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


"Horvath" wrote in message


dumbass.
dumbass.

You certainly like that term, doncha? Why not shut up and quit making
conservatives look so stupid.

Max



Don't tell me what to do, dumbass.

Once again the cause of conservatives everywhere has been served by one
whose eloquence is exceeded only by his . . . um, . . .ah, . . . give me a
moment and I'll think of something.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there???

Absolutely. What was he to do that wasn't just a matter of posturing?

Is that what
you would have done?

Probably not, but I wasn't the President.

My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

I saw F911, if that's what you're asking.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not even close... the right-wing hate machine is just getting
revved up.

Ah, yes, I get your point. The left-wing hate machine has been making the
right-wing version seem like a children's reading session by comparison.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

My personal choice would be McCain.

Of the Democrats, I like Lieberman the best.

Niether of these two scare me.

I agree on both counts. Isn't it unfortunate that the truly credible
candidates don't seem to be able to make it through the primaries any
longer?

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

But you scare us.

My heart is still racing from discovering that folks like you actually
exist, Jon. :-)

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

No. I mean you guys.

LOL. Now that is REALLY funny. Um, don't hold your breath, Jon. If you
think Bart and I have been posting prolifically now . . .

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Try and break in my house, and I'll put a cap in your ass as
you try and run away.

Depending upon where you live, Jon, that would get you 10 to 20. With
liberal judges you'd have a difficult time explaining why you shot the
intruder in the ass, rather than in the heart from the front.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

We shall see.....

I truly hope not.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| I saw F911, if that's what you're asking

What was your opinion of it?

I only saw a few clips..... but it smacked of his 'Bowling for Columbine'
movie. That, I thought, was an overly simplistic view of a rather complex
problem. It seems to me he has repeated his format with F911 and brought
several valid points to light ..... doctored up with half truths and spam
fed to liberal agendas.

Nonetheless... I believe G.Bush Jr. should be removed from office for gross
incompetence. Then again Kerry comes off as quite the goof as well!

CM