Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Please try and calm down. Horass will assume you're gay.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

But you scare us.

My heart is still racing from discovering that folks like you actually
exist, Jon. :-)

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

I don't like Lieberman that much. I can't put my finger on why.
He seems off somehow. I like McCain. Too bad we don't have
him now.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message

My personal choice would be McCain.

Of the Democrats, I like Lieberman the best.

Niether of these two scare me.

I agree on both counts. Isn't it unfortunate that the truly credible
candidates don't seem to be able to make it through the primaries any
longer?

Max

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Heh...

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

No. I mean you guys.

LOL. Now that is REALLY funny. Um, don't hold your breath, Jon. If you
think Bart and I have been posting prolifically now . . .

Max

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Not after I flip him around and put another in his chest.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Try and break in my house, and I'll put a cap in your ass as
you try and run away.

Depending upon where you live, Jon, that would get you 10 to 20. With
liberal judges you'd have a difficult time explaining why you shot the
intruder in the ass, rather than in the heart from the front.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Nah, Bush is doing it to himself.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not even close... the right-wing hate machine is just getting
revved up.

Ah, yes, I get your point. The left-wing hate machine has been making the
right-wing version seem like a children's reading session by comparison.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Posturing? I think a reasonable response would be excuse himself
immediately.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there???

Absolutely. What was he to do that wasn't just a matter of posturing?

Is that what
you would have done?

Probably not, but I wasn't the President.

My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

I saw F911, if that's what you're asking.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:39:24 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

I don't like Lieberman that much. I can't put my finger on why.
He seems off somehow. I like McCain. Too bad we don't have
him now.

He is nowhere near extreme enough to win the support of the Falwell
branch of the Republicans. I voted for McCain in the primary last
time, but the unfortunate state of affairs is that the parties are
controlled by activists and the activists tend to be extremists. When
you get right down to it, abortion is the only real litmus test for
these folks...the rest is just noise and smoke. I would vote for
McCain in a minute over anyone on either side, but he is like a man on
an island in Washington.

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| I saw F911, if that's what you're asking

What was your opinion of it?

I only saw a few clips..... but it smacked of his 'Bowling for Columbine'
movie. That, I thought, was an overly simplistic view of a rather complex
problem. It seems to me he has repeated his format with F911 and brought
several valid points to light ..... doctored up with half truths and spam
fed to liberal agendas.

I found it entertaining enough to hold my interest. I fully expected to get
up and waltz out during the movie--not as a protest, but from boredom--but
did not. I did, however, find that I had to question much of the
contentions MM made. (As an aside, isn't it sad that Michael Moore is now
known as MM, rather than that siren of the 50s, Marilyn Monroe. A pity.)
So did some others watching the flick. And I, too, found his approach to
complex issues simplistic in nature, as if things were truly black and
white. But it was an amusing show. I especially liked the clips of Bush in
his various activities.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Posturing? I think a reasonable response would be excuse himself
immediately.

And still no one has yet given me a good reason for doing so. Please, I'd
really like to know why it was important for him to leave the kiddies seven
minutes early. At that point, the WTC had been hit twice and the Prez could
only stand by and watch in horror as did the rest of us.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Nah, Bush is doing it to himself.

. . . with a lot of help from Michael Moore, Al Franken, Whoopie Goldberg,
Howard Dean, moveon.org, Ben Afleck, Theresa Heinz Kerry, . . . shall I
continue?

Max

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

I don't like Lieberman that much. I can't put my finger on why.
He seems off somehow. I like McCain. Too bad we don't have
him now.

The strongest argument I've heard so far against Lieberman is conjecture as
to whether he would place the needs of Israel above those of Middle East
peace? Or above those of this country. I don't think either question is
valid, but that's what I've heard.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"felton" wrote in message

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:39:24 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

I don't like Lieberman that much. I can't put my finger on why.
He seems off somehow. I like McCain. Too bad we don't have
him now.


He is nowhere near extreme enough to win the support of the Falwell
branch of the Republicans. I voted for McCain in the primary last
time, but the unfortunate state of affairs is that the parties are
controlled by activists and the activists tend to be extremists.

That's it in a nutshell. Sad, but true.

When
you get right down to it, abortion is the only real litmus test for
these folks...the rest is just noise and smoke. I would vote for
McCain in a minute over anyone on either side, but he is like a man on
an island in Washington.

He is greatly respected by all in DC, but kept at arm's length by the GOP
machine. He is a republican and will support Bush, but he'll never gain the
support of the party bosses.

There were some silly rumblings as to whether he'd be willing to defect and
run on a democrat ticket. Never happen. He's conservative through and
through, despite being somewhat more centrist than the religious right.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Please try and calm down. Horass will assume you're gay.

At the very least I'd have to be bi. I love women.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not after I flip him around and put another in his chest.

"Well you see, your Honor, I shot him in the chest, and he fell on his face.
Then a cockroach crawled across his butt and, well, in the heat of the
moment . . . ."

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

| I found it entertaining enough to hold my interest. I fully expected to
get
| up and waltz out during the movie--not as a protest, but from boredom--but
| did not. I did, however, find that I had to question much of the
| contentions MM made. (As an aside, isn't it sad that Michael Moore is now
| known as MM, rather than that siren of the 50s, Marilyn Monroe. A pity.)
| So did some others watching the flick. And I, too, found his approach to
| complex issues simplistic in nature, as if things were truly black and
| white. But it was an amusing show. I especially liked the clips of Bush
in
| his various activities.

Thanks... I guess I'll wait and see it when the novelty dies out. "Now Watch
This Putt".... you gotta love those out-takes... ;-)

CM

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
|
| Posturing? I think a reasonable response would be excuse himself
| immediately.
|
| And still no one has yet given me a good reason for doing so. Please, I'd
| really like to know why it was important for him to leave the kiddies
seven
| minutes early. At that point, the WTC had been hit twice and the Prez
could
| only stand by and watch in horror as did the rest of us.

I don't know about that one Max.... it was a national emergency...... no
time to be reading to kids... even though it was only 7 minutes... it was 7
minutes too long to avoid his immediate responsibility to address his full
attention to an attack on the nation he was in charge of. Totally
unacceptable and I'm certain the kids could have done without his butchering
of yet another plot line.

Nope... he was dead wrong not to excuse himself immediatly.... everyone
including the kids would have understood.... kinda like Nero and the fiddle
while Rome burned!

CM

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:07:35 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


The strongest argument I've heard so far against Lieberman is conjecture as
to whether he would place the needs of Israel above those of Middle East
peace? Or above those of this country. I don't think either question is
valid, but that's what I've heard.


Then what does that say about Kerry, who's grandfather was jewish?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message


"Maxprop" wrote in message

| And still no one has yet given me a good reason for doing so. Please,
I'd
| really like to know why it was important for him to leave the kiddies
seven
| minutes early. At that point, the WTC had been hit twice and the Prez
could
| only stand by and watch in horror as did the rest of us.

I don't know about that one Max.... it was a national emergency...... no
time to be reading to kids... even though it was only 7 minutes... it was
7
minutes too long to avoid his immediate responsibility to address his full
attention to an attack on the nation he was in charge of. Totally
unacceptable and I'm certain the kids could have done without his
butchering
of yet another plot line.

Nope... he was dead wrong not to excuse himself immediatly.... everyone
including the kids would have understood.... kinda like Nero and the
fiddle
while Rome burned!

Your answer, while logical, was still conceptual. I'm still waiting for a
bona fide reason for bailing on the kiddies. Yeah, the kids would have
understood, but for many of them having the Prez read to them was something
they'll remember all their lives.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

| Your answer, while logical, was still conceptual. I'm still waiting for a
| bona fide reason for bailing on the kiddies. Yeah, the kids would have
| understood, but for many of them having the Prez read to them was
something
| they'll remember all their lives.

Logical.. Yes.... Conceptual... not in the remotest meaning of the word.

Look Max... if you are the President and get told that a terrorist strike
has occurred on mainland USA in a major metropolis! Do you really think
that the first order priority would be to finish reading a children's book
for the kids??!!

That is way beyond incompetence..... that's total idiocy. Maybe 7 minutes
didn't matter this time... it might next time.... the fact of the matter is
he did not act on his immediate responsibilites... and that's the crux of
it. He showed complacency then over-reacted. This is no leader... he is a
puppet and has proven incapable of thinking for himself.

He is viewed globally as a simpleton and ridiculed for it. How blind can his
acolytes be???

It's simple... he was put in power by business [Bin Laden money as well]
....and now dances to their flute.

CM

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:57:37 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:


Look Max... if you are the President and get told that a terrorist strike
has occurred on mainland USA in a major metropolis! Do you really think
that the first order priority would be to finish reading a children's book
for the kids??!!


And I suppose he should have jumped up, yelled, "Time's a wasting!"
and run out of the room like a coked up cowboy out to shoot up the
town?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Horvath" wrote in message

| And I suppose he should have jumped up, yelled, "Time's a wasting!"
| and run out of the room like a coked up cowboy out to shoot up the
| town?

Odd that this would be your first thoughts on a course of action ? Oh
Wait... it's Bush we are talking about.. how fitting!

Would excusing yourself to the next generation of supposedly responsible
American Citizens and attending to affairs of state in a National Emergency
not enter your limited synaptic firing sequence?

Panache would have maybe entailed a promise to finish the story once the
situation was rectified!

It's no wonder they don't let the idiot savant stray far from the cattle
prods of his handlers. Handlers bought, paid and planted by the
corporations that own him.

Some people have made the error of calling you an Idiot Horvath.... the ones
who know you understand that is not possible..... the depth of your abysmal
stupidity knows no depth and as such all adjectives fall short of their
mark.

We also know you'll undertake the last paragraph as a compliment......

CM

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:56:11 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:


"Horvath" wrote in message

| And I suppose he should have jumped up, yelled, "Time's a wasting!"
| and run out of the room like a coked up cowboy out to shoot up the
| town?

Odd that this would be your first thoughts on a course of action ? Oh
Wait... it's Bush we are talking about.. how fitting!

Would excusing yourself to the next generation of supposedly responsible
American Citizens and attending to affairs of state in a National Emergency
not enter your limited synaptic firing sequence?

I would wait a respectable amout of time before excusing myself. Oh,
wait, isn't that exactly what he did?

I heard that Lurch, I mean, Kerry did nothing for 40 minutes. He ran
from the Capital Building like a coward, and looked for a hiding
place.


He was probably looking for Pugsley and Wednesday.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message


"Maxprop" wrote in message

| Your answer, while logical, was still conceptual. I'm still waiting for
a
| bona fide reason for bailing on the kiddies. Yeah, the kids would have
| understood, but for many of them having the Prez read to them was
something
| they'll remember all their lives.

Logical.. Yes.... Conceptual... not in the remotest meaning of the word.

Of course it is. Neither you nor anyone else have told me what Bush was to
have done with that 7 minutes, beyond a lot of hand-wringing.

Look Max... if you are the President and get told that a terrorist strike
has occurred on mainland USA in a major metropolis! Do you really think
that the first order priority would be to finish reading a children's book
for the kids??!!

I've already admitted that I'd have excused myself and left immediately.
But that's me. I'm not the prez.

That is way beyond incompetence..... that's total idiocy. Maybe 7
minutes
didn't matter this time... it might next time.... the fact of the matter
is
he did not act on his immediate responsibilites... and that's the crux of
it. He showed complacency then over-reacted. This is no leader... he is a
puppet and has proven incapable of thinking for himself.

This is truly flogging a very dead horse. This issue is so inconsequential,
and so demonstrative of the fact that Bush's enemies really have very little
to do but split hairts.

He is viewed globally as a simpleton and ridiculed for it. How blind can
his
acolytes be???

What are you talking about? He's viewed as a simpleton here, too. :-)

It's simple... he was put in power by business

So has virtually every president in history. Business money is the BIG
money. What you and I give doesn't feed the volunteers at the local party
headquarters.

[Bin Laden money as well]
...and now dances to their flute.

First off, you'd better do some investigation w/r/t the bin Laden family.
They, as a group, condem the actions of their rogue brother. They are
embarrassed by him. And their business has been irreparably injured by
their familial link with him. Only one of his sisters is sympathetic to
him, and has sent him money. And I doubt if she'd be willing to donate
money to ANY US presidential candidate. Secondly, most corporate sponsors,
which may or may not have included the bin Laden family, give nearly equal
amounts of money to both party's candidates. Microsoft does it. So does
IBM and most of big oil. The list is endless.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Hahhahaha! Very funny.

"Horvath" wrote

I heard that Lurch, I mean, Kerry did nothing for 40 minutes. He ran
from the Capital Building like a coward, and looked for a hiding
place.


He was probably looking for Pugsley and Wednesday.

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Max... it's not in effect the time frame of the 7 minutes..... that I agree
is inconsequential... it's what's spoken loudly within those seven minutes
that is the issue.

Count off 7 minutes on your watch while understanding you've just been
notified the country you govern has been attacked..... now do it reading a
children's book.

What would be going through your brain during that time? If you had a
brain.... which is the point of this whole discussion..... that Bush has
none with correctly functioning synaptic firing sequences and that your
country is run by a semi literate idiot without a clue of how to behave
unless directed.

CM

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Max... it's not in effect the time frame of the 7 minutes..... that I
agree
is inconsequential... it's what's spoken loudly within those seven minutes
that is the issue.

Count off 7 minutes on your watch while understanding you've just been
notified the country you govern has been attacked..... now do it reading a
children's book.

What would be going through your brain during that time? If you had a
brain.... which is the point of this whole discussion..... that Bush has
none with correctly functioning synaptic firing sequences and that your
country is run by a semi literate idiot without a clue of how to behave
unless directed.

Winston Churchill, when notified of the beginning of an attack by German
buzz bombs, told his aide that he was going to finish his cigar before going
to the bomb shelter. He did this repeatedly, ostensibly because smoking was
disallowed in the shelters. So can we presume that Churchill's brain was
malfunctioning as well, and that he, too, was a semi-literate idiot?

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Max... it's not in effect the time frame of the 7 minutes..... that I
agree
is inconsequential... it's what's spoken loudly within those seven minutes
that is the issue.

Count off 7 minutes on your watch while understanding you've just been
notified the country you govern has been attacked..... now do it reading a
children's book.

What would be going through your brain during that time? If you had a
brain.... which is the point of this whole discussion..... that Bush has
none with correctly functioning synaptic firing sequences and that your
country is run by a semi literate idiot without a clue of how to behave
unless directed.

Winston Churchill, when notified of the beginning of an attack by German
buzz bombs, told his aide that he was going to finish his cigar before going
to the bomb shelter. He did this repeatedly, ostensibly because smoking was
disallowed in the shelters. So can we presume that Churchill's brain was
malfunctioning as well, and that he, too, was a semi-literate idiot?

Max

Not only that the first plane that hit the first WTC building, they
did not know it was a terrorist attack, everyone assumed it was a
accident.

I saw it on the news live and thought it was an accident until the
second plane hit.

Mooron expects our president to jump to his feet in a fit of rage and
race out of the room filled with kindergarden kids.

Just another twisted bull**** propaganda scene cooked up by that fat
tub of **** M. Moore.... and Mooron swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Joe

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Yeah, it's way more important to listen to a reading of
My Pet Goat than actually consider what to do... perhaps
offer some Fed help, reassure the nation, give the mayor
a call.

In article ,
Joe wrote:
Not only that the first plane that hit the first WTC building, they
did not know it was a terrorist attack, everyone assumed it was a
accident.

I saw it on the news live and thought it was an accident until the
second plane hit.

Mooron expects our president to jump to his feet in a fit of rage and
race out of the room filled with kindergarden kids.

Just another twisted bull**** propaganda scene cooked up by that fat
tub of **** M. Moore.... and Mooron swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Jonathan
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"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

to the group and ganz in particular:
i've sat here patiently and earnstly trying to hear different sides of the
political debate and at times i have been tugged a bit to go left or right.
and frankly i am still undecided
and then i have come to a few conclusions

ganz your a smuck.
finally in the end: what difference do your "politics" make?
face it: your a political idiot.

and while you sit at a distance and view this problem of the WTC as an
abstract problem in "paradise": i've got news for you: some of us lived thru
it and continue to.
how many military personnel with automatic weapons do you have on the
streets of california these days protecting your instututions?
perhaps you don't give a crap about any of that and just think life is AOK
as long as you can sail your boat.

you sit there 3000 miles away and "profess" to understand what has happened
and what is right, what is wrong,what is lie and what is truth
you ain't got a clue baby boy.

did you ever see the glass wall of an office building implode and see
anybody impaled by glass against a wall?
did you see the people jumping out of the towers?
did you see the towers fall?
did you ever smell the burning remains of your neighbors for weeks on end?
did you have the dust in your hair and lungs?
did you watch the pit being emptied of construction and human remains?
did you have jet fighters flying over your house at 3:00 am?
do you get stopped on the street randomly just because?
did you ever walk over the rubble of the world trade center
did you have to wonder where your family was at that moment and if they
would be ok?

while i am close to disdain regarding you and your view: i'll offer
something better
come to New York and i'll give you an up close and personal view of what
some of us think about what has happened

but i do hope you take me up on it.
i'll even take you sailing on a real boat.

until then: just shut the f#$k up.

opinions are like a-holes: everyone's got one.
gf.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, it's way more important to listen to a reading of
My Pet Goat than actually consider what to do... perhaps
offer some Fed help, reassure the nation, give the mayor
a call.

In article ,
Joe wrote:
Not only that the first plane that hit the first WTC building, they
did not know it was a terrorist attack, everyone assumed it was a
accident.

I saw it on the news live and thought it was an accident until the
second plane hit.

Mooron expects our president to jump to his feet in a fit of rage and
race out of the room filled with kindergarden kids.

Just another twisted bull**** propaganda scene cooked up by that fat
tub of **** M. Moore.... and Mooron swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Jonathan
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http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Fishboy,

Bull****, or should I say Bu****. You've never indicated
the least interest in listening to facts. In fact, you're
obviously a right-wing wacko.

If you can't site facts, you resort to nam-calling, which
makes you just as much a smuck and a political idiot.

Do you want to rephrase your question... my politics makes
just as much a difference as anyone elses.

You think you're some kind of authority on the WTC and this
somehow makes you an authority on politics. Talk about being
an idiot!

I have no interest in your "tour" of NY. Sounds to me like
you have nothing to contribute to sailing, nothing to contribute
to politics, and nothing to do but beat your meat in public.

Go away.

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
to the group and ganz in particular:
i've sat here patiently and earnstly trying to hear different sides of the
political debate and at times i have been tugged a bit to go left or right.
and frankly i am still undecided
and then i have come to a few conclusions

rest of bs deleted
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http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Rather than agonize over a choice. I strongly
recommend you go fishing.

It is much more satisfying, and you get to eat
whatever you catch.

"gonefishiing" wrote

i've sat here patiently and earnstly trying to hear different sides of the
political debate and at times i have been tugged a bit to go left or
right.
and frankly i am still undecided

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| Winston Churchill, when notified of the beginning of an attack by German
| buzz bombs, told his aide that he was going to finish his cigar before
going
| to the bomb shelter. He did this repeatedly, ostensibly because smoking
was
| disallowed in the shelters. So can we presume that Churchill's brain was
| malfunctioning as well, and that he, too, was a semi-literate idiot?

Not the same at all....
Winston knew the full extent... this was not news.... it was a regular
occurence during the war!

CM

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

OzOne wrote in message

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:43:23 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

Winston Churchill, when notified of the beginning of an attack by German
buzz bombs, told his aide that he was going to finish his cigar before
going
to the bomb shelter. He did this repeatedly, ostensibly because smoking
was
disallowed in the shelters. So can we presume that Churchill's brain was
malfunctioning as well, and that he, too, was a semi-literate idiot?

Max

Ummm big difference.
The only one in danger here was Churchill...it was done to show his
resolve in resisting the German psychological attacks.

At the time the opposition party pilloried him for his "smoking delays" in
getting to the shelters, pretty much as the left is doing to Bush for
finishing his kiddie reading session. And the difference probably WAS big.
As the leader of the British, and a figurehead for the Allies, he was
risking his life, and the stability of his country, by his actions. Bush
risked nothing whatsoever.

Fascinating to watch the left wing radicals spin things these days. For
example, any Vietnam vet who supports Kerry is a hero, and any of them who
oppose him are liars.

Max

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Good Grief..... gf!!

You saw that live?
Through all the smoke and debris?
The world saw it via television and were collectively as appaled and
shocked.
They were backing the USA 1000% on Afghanistan... and getting Osama.

Problem is your president decided to line his pockets on the tragedy of
thousands and steer the course to Saddam when the initial goal proved to
difficult to accomplish. Then he opened his mouth and alienated half the
globe that was with him in the first place.

I'm not Conservative.... but I have some conservative traits
I'm not Liberal... but I harbour some liberal traits

I'm Canadian .. and we'll not soon forget how you turned on us when we
elected not to ride the car to the bottom of the cliff with you after
repeated warnings you were headed to a dangerous area.

Either way I know an idiot when I see one... and Bush is a spoon fed royal
idiot.
Then again Kerry.... well frankly I can't see him as much moore than a
flaccid tallywhacker for the tree huggers.

Although I would hate to see Bush reelected... you can't stop a fight and
tag a wiener into the ring... the opposition would have a field day!

You are stuck with Bush for another 4 years..... like it as not.

CM



"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
| to the group and ganz in particular:
| i've sat here patiently and earnstly trying to hear different sides of the
| political debate and at times i have been tugged a bit to go left or
right.
| and frankly i am still undecided
| and then i have come to a few conclusions
|
| ganz your a smuck.
| finally in the end: what difference do your "politics" make?
| face it: your a political idiot.
|
| and while you sit at a distance and view this problem of the WTC as an
| abstract problem in "paradise": i've got news for you: some of us lived
thru
| it and continue to.
| how many military personnel with automatic weapons do you have on the
| streets of california these days protecting your instututions?
| perhaps you don't give a crap about any of that and just think life is AOK
| as long as you can sail your boat.
|
| you sit there 3000 miles away and "profess" to understand what has
happened
| and what is right, what is wrong,what is lie and what is truth
| you ain't got a clue baby boy.
|
| did you ever see the glass wall of an office building implode and see
| anybody impaled by glass against a wall?
| did you see the people jumping out of the towers?
| did you see the towers fall?
| did you ever smell the burning remains of your neighbors for weeks on end?
| did you have the dust in your hair and lungs?
| did you watch the pit being emptied of construction and human remains?
| did you have jet fighters flying over your house at 3:00 am?
| do you get stopped on the street randomly just because?
| did you ever walk over the rubble of the world trade center
| did you have to wonder where your family was at that moment and if they
| would be ok?
|
| while i am close to disdain regarding you and your view: i'll offer
| something better
| come to New York and i'll give you an up close and personal view of what
| some of us think about what has happened
|
| but i do hope you take me up on it.
| i'll even take you sailing on a real boat.
|
| until then: just shut the f#$k up.
|
| opinions are like a-holes: everyone's got one.
| gf.
|
|
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| Yeah, it's way more important to listen to a reading of
| My Pet Goat than actually consider what to do... perhaps
| offer some Fed help, reassure the nation, give the mayor
| a call.
|
| In article ,
| Joe wrote:
| Not only that the first plane that hit the first WTC building, they
| did not know it was a terrorist attack, everyone assumed it was a
| accident.
|
| I saw it on the news live and thought it was an accident until the
| second plane hit.
|
| Mooron expects our president to jump to his feet in a fit of rage and
| race out of the room filled with kindergarden kids.
|
| Just another twisted bull**** propaganda scene cooked up by that fat
| tub of **** M. Moore.... and Mooron swallowed it hook line and sinker.
|
| Jonathan
| --
| Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
| http://www.sailnow.com
| "If there's no wind, row."
|
|
|

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

From your worst nightmare... a person who actually
thinks.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 12 Aug 2004 14:55:07 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

If you can't site facts, you resort to nam-calling

LOL. This is from whom?

Woof doggie... SIT!

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

Better to fish than be fished.... I keep reeling
him in, but it's catch and release here... you know..
it's a liberal Left Coast thing.

In article ,
Bart Senior wrote:
Rather than agonize over a choice. I strongly
recommend you go fishing.

It is much more satisfying, and you get to eat
whatever you catch.

"gonefishiing" wrote

i've sat here patiently and earnstly trying to hear different sides of the
political debate and at times i have been tugged a bit to go left or
right.
and frankly i am still undecided





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

In article k.net,
Maxprop wrote:
Fascinating to watch the left wing radicals spin things these days. For
example, any Vietnam vet who supports Kerry is a hero, and any of them who
oppose him are liars.

It goes both ways... any vets that don't support Kerry are
right wing wackos in the employ of Bu****. Those that do
are lying.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

On 12 Aug 2004 13:22:34 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

Yeah, it's way more important to listen to a reading of
My Pet Goat than actually consider what to do... perhaps
offer some Fed help, reassure the nation, give the mayor
a call.


There's plenty of time for that. later.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hey Doug, where's the beef?
 

You're right! Just like there was plenty of time
to get his act together to protect us from the
terrorists! Bush just needs to take another vacation..
like the one in August, 2001. It's ok. Cheney is in
charge anyway.

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On 12 Aug 2004 13:22:34 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

Yeah, it's way more important to listen to a reading of
My Pet Goat than actually consider what to do... perhaps
offer some Fed help, reassure the nation, give the mayor
a call.


There's plenty of time for that. later.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

OT Dave is a poodle
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
Our Rhodesian Ridgeback would make mincemeat out of your little gay
poodle!

6 months old and 60 lbs... taller than a Lab!
A Lion Hunter by Trade!
Her bark scares the skin off most people!

But can he stop a .38 bullet?