over the knee, it sounds like you are starting to back peddle in anticipation
of **finally** understanding the concept of relative motion.

maybe, over the knee, you don't know what reference points are, or what
constitutes a reference point. jeffies, doesn't/didn't.

like Ragu, "It's in there".

jax, you really,really do need help with "reading comprehension".
You can't just take what someone writes and interpret it to suit your
needs or point of view ..... go back and read what he said, then before
you write something, take the time to think what it means.

otn