over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?

yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and DR
means
whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting as
what
the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn

Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?

yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and DR
means
whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting as
what
the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn

jeff, if you have a known reference (sic) point, then you are not deducing
anything at all.

knowing the direction you are pointing and your speed through the water gives
you no known reference (sic) points at all. none.

btw, "known reference points" is a double redundancy saying the same thing over
again twice. reference points are by definition known. if you don't know what
they are and where they are they are not a reference point.

Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?

yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and
DR
means
whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting
as
what
the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn

Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.

jeffies, virtually every last pilot in the country with a valid license is
laughing at you. "flying blind" is illegal, and has been for seven some
decades, and for good reason. All pilots know that and know why.

you have changed the definition of DR to that of "pilotage", as in going from
one known landmark to the next.

Pilots laughing at me? Are these the pilots who don't know what airport they
take off from? No wonder you don't think it physically possible to navigate
without a GPS - you don't know where you are to start!




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.

jeffies, virtually every last pilot in the country with a valid license is
laughing at you. "flying blind" is illegal, and has been for seven some
decades, and for good reason. All pilots know that and know why.

you have changed the definition of DR to that of "pilotage", as in going from
one known landmark to the next.

yeah, 200,000 pilots in the country, and every last one of them is either
laughing at you for your lack of skills and understanding, or shaking their
heads at the danger you put yourself and your family so stew ped lee in.

Pilots laughing at me? Are these the pilots who don't know what airport they
take off from? No wonder you don't think it physically possible to navigate
without a GPS - you don't know where you are to start!




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Of course DR requires a known reference point. If you weren't so
convinced
navigation is impossible without a GPS you might learn how it works.

jeffies, virtually every last pilot in the country with a valid license is
laughing at you. "flying blind" is illegal, and has been for seven some
decades, and for good reason. All pilots know that and know why.

you have changed the definition of DR to that of "pilotage", as in going
from
one known landmark to the next.

Jaxie, all those pilots are laughing at your misunderstanding of navigation and
are thankful that you don't fly anymore!

I'm also grateful that you don't sail whenever there is the smallest chance of
fog - that eases my burden considerably!

As for "putting my family at risk" you'll be happy to know that I travel with
GPS (plus a spare) and Radar, and unlike you, actually know how to use them.
However, I'm also prepared to cope with the loss of electronics, and when
conditions are ripe for fog, I chose routes that are easier for DR navigation if
the need arises.

Claiming that safe navigation in restricted visibility is impossible is to claim
that cruising, especially in the Northeast (or the Northwest) in the summer is
impossible. But I guess for you it is impossible.

Is this why you never tell us about any trips you've been on when you were
actually in charge? It seems like the only trips you talk about is when you
crewed for an "incompetent" skipper.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
yeah, 200,000 pilots in the country, and every last one of them is either
laughing at you for your lack of skills and understanding, or shaking their
heads at the danger you put yourself and your family so stew ped lee in.

jeffies, what you proclaim as a safe practise has been illegal in the air for
seven some decades. now, I am fully aware that *YOU* believe *YOU* are above
the laws of physics, but get your wife to explain it to you.

Jaxie, all those pilots are laughing at your misunderstanding of navigation
and
are thankful that you don't fly anymore!

I'm also grateful that you don't sail whenever there is the smallest chance
of
fog - that eases my burden considerably!

As for "putting my family at risk" you'll be happy to know that I travel with
GPS (plus a spare) and Radar, and unlike you, actually know how to use them.
However, I'm also prepared to cope with the loss of electronics, and when
conditions are ripe for fog, I chose routes that are easier for DR navigation
if
the need arises.

Claiming that safe navigation in restricted visibility is impossible is to
claim
that cruising, especially in the Northeast (or the Northwest) in the summer
is
impossible. But I guess for you it is impossible.

Is this why you never tell us about any trips you've been on when you were
actually in charge? It seems like the only trips you talk about is when you
crewed for an "incompetent" skipper.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
yeah, 200,000 pilots in the country, and every last one of them is either
laughing at you for your lack of skills and understanding, or shaking their
heads at the danger you put yourself and your family so stew ped lee in.

...... and your point is? The subject is "dead reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", "ded reckoning", not "fixes", or is this some random thought
which just found it's way out of your brain.
I fail to see how this relates to my post below or anything else, for
that matter.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?


yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and DR

means

whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting as

what

the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn

over the knee, you are agreeing with me and disagreeing with jeffies. did you
lose track of the world around you for a period of time?

...... and your point is? The subject is "dead reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", "ded reckoning", not "fixes", or is this some random thought
which just found it's way out of your brain.
I fail to see how this relates to my post below or anything else, for
that matter.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, **if** you have known references point **then** you are not
deducing anything at all about where you are.

why are you being such a dumb cluck?


yeah, that's it. yesterday means tomorrow, green means frying pan and DR

means

whatever you want, today at 7:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time when posting as

what

the frick ever.


Now, now, jax .... don't get yer spandex speedo in an uproar .....
simply stated, you just don't know enough about actual navigation to
have the ability to carry on an intelligent discussion on the subject.
BTW, next time you look up "dead reckoning", "ded reckoning", "deduced
reckoning", read the whole definition.
Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the possibilities .......

Tataaa

otn