"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or
war.

Max

Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism
or
war.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe







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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism
or
war.

Max

"Joe" wrote in message

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe

Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted
thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam,
Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that
of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to
their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to
distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon.

Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point.
Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that intelligent
folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk extremists--just
most of them.

Max

Well, it's not my fault if you're too stupid to listen to facts.

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"Joe" wrote in message

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe

Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted
thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam,
Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that
of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to
their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to
distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon.

Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point.
Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that
intelligent
folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk
extremists--just
most of them.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Well, it's not my fault if you're too stupid to listen to *facts.*

Must have been a typo, Jon, because you certainly must have meant *liberal
lies.*

Max


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"Joe" wrote in message

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe

Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely
distorted
thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam,
Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and
that
of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to
their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to
distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon.

Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same
point.
Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that
intelligent
folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk
extremists--just
most of them.

Max

That would be your typo. I don't distinguish between liars.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Well, it's not my fault if you're too stupid to listen to *facts.*

Must have been a typo, Jon, because you certainly must have meant *liberal
lies.*

Max


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"Joe" wrote in message

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe

Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely
distorted
thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam,
Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and
that
of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason
to
their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks
to
distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon.

Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same
point.
Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that
intelligent
folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk
extremists--just
most of them.

Max

According to the IDIOT joey, he'd rather have a president lie
to the American people, rather than garner support by telling
the truth.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe







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www.sailnow.com

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having
difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for
innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the
truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't
healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by
terrorism
or
war.

Max

So it's better that we kill them instead (as we've been doing)?

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe







--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having
difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for
innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the
truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't
healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by
terrorism
or
war.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason?

If you're referring to soldiers, the answer is an unequivocal 'no.'
Soldiers follow orders; good, bad or otherwise. They are NOT innocents.
Would you consider innocent the dupes who wear 30# of C-4 into a crowd and
detonate it as instructed by al qaeda operatives?

The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims?

I left my complete post (below) for you to re-read and show me where I said
that such individuals were NOT innocent civilian victims. Please do that
now.

Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

It's extremely myopic to reason that the war was started for "no good
reason." The majority of Iraqis are happy to have Saddam gone. Most wish
he were dead. That is one good reason. I can give you others, despite the
reason for Bush's rush to war not being one of them. Don't forget that John
Kerry voted for this war. He must have thought there was a good reason.

That said, it is still tragic when innocents are casualties in ANY war,
justified or not.

Max


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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't
healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism
or
war.

Max