"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


Actually, they've accomplished a lot of their goal. They've forced us
to reduce our Civil Rights,

Wrong. The Bush administration did this. It was not necessary, and not an
appropriate response to terrorism.

they've forced us to have to remove our
shoes before we get on a plane,

If this really bothers you, Jon, you should seek counseling.

they've effectively put targets on
the backs of every American living or travelling abroad.

In theory, perhaps. In reality, highly unlikely. I'm unaware of any
Americans traveling abroad (excluding Iraq) who've been victims or close
calls of terrorism.

I'd say we're
a lot less safe. Saddam had little to do with it either way.

That was my point. How did ousting Saddam make us less safe?

Max

You get a clue... you have no clue! Now you're citing liberal academics??
What is the world coming to???

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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Actually, it's none of your business.

In other words No he did not serve or do anything to protect our
country.


Patriotism isn't about service. It's
about believing and supporting the US Constitution and the values
that it espouses. Just because one does or doesn't serve in the military
isn't good enough to be patriotic. Just because one serves the
community,
isn't enough to be considered patriotic. It's easy to claim that... "I
was
in the military, therefore, I'm patriotic." That's a load of crap.

Bull****, Military service is about standing up and saying you will
give all if needed for your country. And after all Love is above all a
gift of ones self


Calling someone unamerican is most definitely not patriotic, as it goes
against everything that we hold as values.

Yes it is if they are indeed un-patriotic.


I don't have to prove my patriotism, and I don't ask anyone else to
either.

You by being ashamed to be an American have proved you are
un-patriotic.

the guys at Princeton universty define patrotic as:

1. patriotic (vs. unpatriotic), loyal -- (inspired by love for your
country)

Get a clue!

Joe
Never ashamed to be called an American



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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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What have you done for your country?

Ever served in the Armed Forces?

How many letters of appreciation have you received for
community involvement?

Patriotism is displayed by actions not declaimation.

Reacting with anger makes you more like Whoopi Goldberg,
and bin Laden.

Jonathan Ganz wrote

**** you. I'm more of an American than you'll ever be.

"Joe" wrote

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

In the current state of affairs, I'm ashamed to be an American.

Then get the Hell Out and do not let the door hit you in the ass!

Joe

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Actually, it's none of your business. Patriotism isn't about service. It's
about believing and supporting the US Constitution and the values
that it espouses. Just because one does or doesn't serve in the military
isn't good enough to be patriotic. Just because one serves the community,
isn't enough to be considered patriotic. It's easy to claim that... "I was
in the military, therefore, I'm patriotic." That's a load of crap.

Calling someone unamerican is most definitely not patriotic, as it goes
against everything that we hold as values.

I don't have to prove my patriotism, and I don't ask anyone else to
either.

If you truly believe the above, Jon, I feel genuinely sorry for you. You've
lived here all you life (I'm assuming) and are clueless as to what
constitutes patriotism. I'd suggest a redux of basic American history, with
emphasis on such names as Patrick Henry, George Washington, and such.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Currently, yes. We have an asshole and liar in the White House. He's
tarnished our image around the world.

No, no. Clinton left office in Jan. 2001.

Max

"Donal" wrote in message

"Horvath" wrote in message

Surely, your victory in Iraq means that the world is now safe????

I certainly feel safer.

So why do we need so much more security at airports????

Hmmm. I'm sorry you Irish need more since the Iraq war, but we "Murcans"
haven't increased ours since it was scaled up following 9/11.

Max

Bart Senior wrote:
Not evil, just cheap with their own money, and free
with everyone elses. And ready to sell out America.

Bart, I think you should be a bit more careful what you say.

The madatory financial data released by George W. Bush shows that he
donates 0.7% of his income to charity... including church charities and
in-kind donations. That's well below the "skinflint" level in my book.
Dick Cheney donates 0.000% of his million$ in income.



Conservatives are Proud to be American's
Liberals are Ashamed to be American's

You seem to be swollen with Bush/Cheney propaganda. It's bad for you.

There many real patriots on both sides of the fence. For one thing, most
of the Founding Fathers described themselves as "Liberal." For another,
in the 2000 election the margin of military votes for Bush/Cheney was
aBout 4%. This time it's expected to swing by more than that the other way.

DSK

I was talking about the current asshole in the WH (not Laura).

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Currently, yes. We have an asshole and liar in the White House. He's
tarnished our image around the world.

No, no. Clinton left office in Jan. 2001.

Max

No need to feel sorry for me. I remember Joe McCarthy and he was
no friend of patriotism.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Actually, it's none of your business. Patriotism isn't about service.
It's
about believing and supporting the US Constitution and the values
that it espouses. Just because one does or doesn't serve in the military
isn't good enough to be patriotic. Just because one serves the
community,
isn't enough to be considered patriotic. It's easy to claim that... "I
was
in the military, therefore, I'm patriotic." That's a load of crap.

Calling someone unamerican is most definitely not patriotic, as it goes
against everything that we hold as values.

I don't have to prove my patriotism, and I don't ask anyone else to
either.

If you truly believe the above, Jon, I feel genuinely sorry for you.
You've
lived here all you life (I'm assuming) and are clueless as to what
constitutes patriotism. I'd suggest a redux of basic American history,
with
emphasis on such names as Patrick Henry, George Washington, and such.

Max

Sh*t.... I wondered what that rumbling was... Oh wait...

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Certainly some are, just as there are Republicans who are not corrupt.
It's just hard to find them on either side.

(clutching his chest and experiencing labored breathing) My gawd, Jon,
you
and I agree on something. (I'm betting the San Andreas Fault is about to
let go.)

Max

You're right about the Bu**** administration.

I don't need counseling, I need more foot powder.

It was the attack on Iraq that makes us less safe. Getting
rid of Saddam was a good thing and might have gone well,
but Bu**** screwed it up.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


Actually, they've accomplished a lot of their goal. They've forced us
to reduce our Civil Rights,

Wrong. The Bush administration did this. It was not necessary, and not
an
appropriate response to terrorism.

they've forced us to have to remove our
shoes before we get on a plane,

If this really bothers you, Jon, you should seek counseling.

they've effectively put targets on
the backs of every American living or travelling abroad.

In theory, perhaps. In reality, highly unlikely. I'm unaware of any
Americans traveling abroad (excluding Iraq) who've been victims or close
calls of terrorism.

I'd say we're
a lot less safe. Saddam had little to do with it either way.

That was my point. How did ousting Saddam make us less safe?

Max