Hahaha... this from a racist, pussy. Hahahaah...

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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Not what I said pussyboy, I mean Dave. My question was,
do you want to be represented by a guy like this. Apparently,
the answer is yes.

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There you go again spewing off with your foul mouth John athan.

I guess some people would like to be represented by a foul mouth San
Francisco two faced person thats ashamed to be an American like you.
But as you will find out this November not enough will be on your
putrid two faced side.

You and Kerry 2 birds of the same feather. You wanna spew foul words
but you are totally offened when someone spews it back right in your
two faces.

Waffler, Ashamed American, Liar.


Joe


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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Is this the kind of guy you want representing
those of you on the right?

You don't like getting your own name-calling game returned in spades?

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

Yep, free speach... and all that. So, given that it's free speach
my saying that I think you're a racist asshole is just fine. The
fact that you can spew your garbage just supports the notion
of a liberal American where even racists like yourself can have
a forum. The fact is that you represent the worst of society.

You keep responding. You have to respond. You can't help
it. Keep responding. You look even dumber than dirt.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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(Bobspirt) wrote in message
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Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing
those of you on the right?


Jon, free speach and all that, remember? You may not like the message,
but he
has a right to say it. The ACLU consistently backs the Klans' right to
get its
message out.

Jon's upset because I told the truth about him. I got tired of his
foul mouth so I felt it was time to give him a taste of his own
medicine.

Poor boy got all upset.

Bwahahahahahah typical two faced mammas boy. He can dish it out
but.....

Reminds me of Kerry.......Bush is gonna kick his ass back under his
wifes skirt.

Joe

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"Donal" wrote in message


Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam?

Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq
to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have
noticed
that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond
the
ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint.

That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up,
very
succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the
Bush
administration.

Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value
on
the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans.
You
seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your
President's
actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme
anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion.

You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of
Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, but made
no
morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in
Iraq
vs. those in the US. Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and
its
citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. Beyond attacking US soldiers
and
US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. That
translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward
ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers,
civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned,
that's
another matter entirely.

And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or
anyone other than Islamic extremists.

Max

Liberal America... and yes, I'm a liberal too.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yep, free speach... and all that. So, given that it's free speach
my saying that I think you're a racist asshole is just fine. The
fact that you can spew your garbage just supports the notion
of a liberal American where even racists like yourself can have
a forum. The fact is that you represent the worst of society.

You keep responding. You have to respond. You can't help
it. Keep responding. You look even dumber than dirt.

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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobspirt) wrote in message
...
Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing
those of you on the right?


Jon, free speach and all that, remember? You may not like the
message,
but he
has a right to say it. The ACLU consistently backs the Klans' right
to
get its
message out.

Jon's upset because I told the truth about him. I got tired of his
foul mouth so I felt it was time to give him a taste of his own
medicine.

Poor boy got all upset.

Bwahahahahahah typical two faced mammas boy. He can dish it out
but.....

Reminds me of Kerry.......Bush is gonna kick his ass back under his
wifes skirt.

Joe

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or
war.

Max

Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism
or
war.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe







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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism
or
war.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"Donal" wrote in message


Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam?

Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq
to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have
noticed
that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond
the
ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint.

That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up,
very
succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the
Bush
administration.

Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value
on
the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans.
You
seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your
President's
actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme
anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion.

Rubbish!


You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of
Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened,

You said, .. and I quote "Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because
they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq".

Are you intellectually incapable of understanding that you have said that
you are pleased that Al Qaeda have been diverted into Iraq? Do you really
feel that they have been weakened?





but made no
morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in
Iraq
vs. those in the US.

Yes you did. You feel that Al Qaeda have been weakened. Yet many more
innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the WTC
incident. Is it anti-American to tell the truth?


Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its
citizens, by its own admission repeatedly.

I think that you need to do some research, Al Qaeda's prime target is the
"West".

Beyond attacking US soldiers and
US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard.

You don't use aircraft, do you? Anybody who flies on commercial airlines
will be aware of the effect of Al Qaeda.


That
translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward
ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers,
civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned,
that's
another matter entirely.

And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or
anyone other than Islamic extremists.


Terrorism *is* terrorism. I don't make any attempt to justify the murder
of any humans.

Do you?



Regards

Donal
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason?

If you're referring to soldiers, the answer is an unequivocal 'no.'
Soldiers follow orders; good, bad or otherwise. They are NOT innocents.
Would you consider innocent the dupes who wear 30# of C-4 into a crowd and
detonate it as instructed by al qaeda operatives?

The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims?

I left my complete post (below) for you to re-read and show me where I said
that such individuals were NOT innocent civilian victims. Please do that
now.

Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

It's extremely myopic to reason that the war was started for "no good
reason." The majority of Iraqis are happy to have Saddam gone. Most wish
he were dead. That is one good reason. I can give you others, despite the
reason for Bush's rush to war not being one of them. Don't forget that John
Kerry voted for this war. He must have thought there was a good reason.

That said, it is still tragic when innocents are casualties in ANY war,
justified or not.

Max


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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11.

Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty
making that distinction?

And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent
Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly
innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't
healthy
for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism
or
war.

Max

"Joe" wrote in message

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of
Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian!
But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey
that's just tough luck.

Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to
just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to
mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off
body parts.

Joe

Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted
thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam,
Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that
of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to
their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to
distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon.

Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point.
Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that intelligent
folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk extremists--just
most of them.

Max