You're right about the Bu**** administration.

I don't need counseling, I need more foot powder.

It was the attack on Iraq that makes us less safe. Getting
rid of Saddam was a good thing and might have gone well,
but Bu**** screwed it up.

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Actually, they've accomplished a lot of their goal. They've forced us
to reduce our Civil Rights,

Wrong. The Bush administration did this. It was not necessary, and not
an
appropriate response to terrorism.

they've forced us to have to remove our
shoes before we get on a plane,

If this really bothers you, Jon, you should seek counseling.

they've effectively put targets on
the backs of every American living or travelling abroad.

In theory, perhaps. In reality, highly unlikely. I'm unaware of any
Americans traveling abroad (excluding Iraq) who've been victims or close
calls of terrorism.

I'd say we're
a lot less safe. Saddam had little to do with it either way.

That was my point. How did ousting Saddam make us less safe?

Max

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Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam?

Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq
to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have
noticed
that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the
ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint.

That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very
succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush
administration.

Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value on
the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans. You
seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your President's
actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq.

Shame on you.



Regards


Donal
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Surely, your victory in Iraq means that the world is now safe????

Would you feel safer if Saddam were still in power? If so, why would you
feel less safe now?

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

"Donal" wrote in message


Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam?

Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq
to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have
noticed
that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the
ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint.

That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very
succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush
administration.

Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value
on
the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans.
You
seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your
President's
actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme
anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion.

You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of
Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, but made no
morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in Iraq
vs. those in the US. Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its
citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. Beyond attacking US soldiers and
US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. That
translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward
ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers,
civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned, that's
another matter entirely.

And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or
anyone other than Islamic extremists.

Max

Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. And,
I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"Donal" wrote in message


Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam?

Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq
to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have
noticed
that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond
the
ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint.

That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up,
very
succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the
Bush
administration.

Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value
on
the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans.
You
seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your
President's
actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme
anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion.

You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of
Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, but made
no
morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in
Iraq
vs. those in the US. Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and
its
citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. Beyond attacking US soldiers
and
US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. That
translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward
ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers,
civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned,
that's
another matter entirely.

And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or
anyone other than Islamic extremists.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"Donal" wrote in message


Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam?

Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq
to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have
noticed
that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond
the
ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint.

That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up,
very
succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the
Bush
administration.

Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value
on
the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans.
You
seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your
President's
actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme
anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion.

Rubbish!


You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of
Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened,

You said, .. and I quote "Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because
they've been kept busy
shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into
Iraq".

Are you intellectually incapable of understanding that you have said that
you are pleased that Al Qaeda have been diverted into Iraq? Do you really
feel that they have been weakened?





but made no
morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in
Iraq
vs. those in the US.

Yes you did. You feel that Al Qaeda have been weakened. Yet many more
innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the WTC
incident. Is it anti-American to tell the truth?


Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its
citizens, by its own admission repeatedly.

I think that you need to do some research, Al Qaeda's prime target is the
"West".

Beyond attacking US soldiers and
US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard.

You don't use aircraft, do you? Anybody who flies on commercial airlines
will be aware of the effect of Al Qaeda.


That
translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward
ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers,
civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned,
that's
another matter entirely.

And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or
anyone other than Islamic extremists.


Terrorism *is* terrorism. I don't make any attempt to justify the murder
of any humans.

Do you?



Regards

Donal
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