Remember the fellow a lazy, smart, sailor!


He kills the engine in a crossing situation.

He kills the engine in a crossing situation.

Hummm..... another good reason for a remote kill switch..

John

He may have some clever explanation, but my answer (and other who have agreed)
is correct. If he eased the jib to make it luff, he's reducing VMG for no gain;
if its luffing because he's pinching, then he's maximizing VMG and getting an
easier ride.

BTW, we often don't fly the jib when motorsailing upwind because the major
benefit is provided by the main. Having the jib up just reduces visibility.



"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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Remember the fellow a lazy, smart, sailor!

Bobspirt wrote in message
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Also, if you have your sails up you can claim ROW over motorboats, and
they aren't smart enough to see it's luffing

No. When you are motorsailing, you are a motorboat. Having your sails
up is meaningless as far as your position in the pecking order if your
engine is running, even if it is in neutral.

BB

BB, come on, get your helmet on and get in the game. He knew that. He
was
saying you could make powerboaters (who generally clear out for a sailboat
no
matter what, if they are paying attention) THINK you were sailing.

Just an aside as I'm in this too late. Engine running in neutral doesn't
count. To be shifted in the pecking order down one slot to power boat you
have to 'engage' the engine. The requirement is a vessel 'under power.'

I'm enjoying reading all this and catching up. My answer was a similar
version of Thom's so I'm struck out already!

M.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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Remember the fellow a lazy, smart, sailor!

Bobspirt wrote in message
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Also, if you have your sails up you can claim ROW over motorboats, and
they aren't smart enough to see it's luffing

No. When you are motorsailing, you are a motorboat. Having your sails
up is meaningless as far as your position in the pecking order if your
engine is running, even if it is in neutral.

BB

BB, come on, get your helmet on and get in the game. He knew that. He
was
saying you could make powerboaters (who generally clear out for a
sailboat
no
matter what, if they are paying attention) THINK you were sailing.

Ah yes Bart,

A condition I often experience. Using your engine to get higher on the
wind than your sails will take you.

Sailors sometimes motor sail, as I do, to get running time on the
engine. When you are doing this, why not get to windward as much a
possible while using the engine. When you shutdown the engine your
up-wind work is behind you and the sailing is free, easy and quite.

Luffing slightly reduces resistance to a higher heading. If working
directly into the wind and tacking, you work higher using the motor to
get better wind angle on the next tack

Ole Thom

Nice try Thom. The answer is much simpler than that.

No one will get it. I should post the answer. Again
the hints are this is a lazy and smart skipper.

Thom Stewart wrote

Ah yes Bart,

A condition I often experience. Using your engine to get higher on the
wind than your sails will take you.

Sailors sometimes motor sail, as I do, to get running time on the
engine. When you are doing this, why not get to windward as much a
possible while using the engine. When you shutdown the engine your
up-wind work is behind you and the sailing is free, easy and quite.

Luffing slightly reduces resistance to a higher heading. If working
directly into the wind and tacking, you work higher using the motor to
get better wind angle on the next tack

Ole Thom

If there is a collision you would be at fault.

Sounds like it's unlawful, then, doesn't it?

The sailboat would not automatically be at fault and it would not be unlawful
to allow a powerboater to form a mistaken impression. BB, you need to study up
a bit.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message .net...
Another question inspired by a Dutch sailor. I caught on
to what he was doing, because I was not occupied with
anything else at the time. No one else on board did.

Impress me with your genius! [15 points]

While motor sailing, close hauled, you trim your jib so that it is
slightly luffing?

Why would you do this?

To dump air faster. The curve of the sail and speed of wind across the
surface might be slower than the speed your motoring. Until the wind
is strong enough to stop the lufing it might cause drag.

Joe

Solution:

Because you are about to shut off the engine!

The hints we Lazy, smart, sailor...

The reason is simple. If you are lazy and smart you don't
want to trim the sail twice. If you are a sailor, you would not
want to leave the engine on.

So, you trim the sail to luff slightly, as you motor. Then
shut off the engine, the boat slows down, the apparent wind
swings slightly aft, and you find the sail is now trimmed
correctly.

You can see how I knew immeditately this fellow was a
good sailor. He was thinking ahead.

It was a tough one.


Bart Senior wrote

Another question inspired by a Dutch sailor. I caught on
to what he was doing, because I was not occupied with
anything else at the time. No one else on board did.

Impress me with your genius! [15 points]

While motor sailing, close hauled, you trim your jib so that it is
slightly luffing?

Why would you do this?

As I predicted, a "clever" but wrong answer. The jib likely can't be trimmed so
there is no sense in trying; the main however, can be trimmed if its on a
traveler - failure to do that is lazy, but not smart.

BTW, the wording of your original post implied that he actively adjusted the
jib, not the he didn't bother to tighten it when it was appropriate.


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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Solution:

Because you are about to shut off the engine!

The hints we Lazy, smart, sailor...

The reason is simple. If you are lazy and smart you don't
want to trim the sail twice. If you are a sailor, you would not
want to leave the engine on.

So, you trim the sail to luff slightly, as you motor. Then
shut off the engine, the boat slows down, the apparent wind
swings slightly aft, and you find the sail is now trimmed
correctly.

You can see how I knew immeditately this fellow was a
good sailor. He was thinking ahead.

It was a tough one.


Bart Senior wrote

Another question inspired by a Dutch sailor. I caught on
to what he was doing, because I was not occupied with
anything else at the time. No one else on board did.

Impress me with your genius! [15 points]

While motor sailing, close hauled, you trim your jib so that it is
slightly luffing?

Why would you do this?