What if #7
 

SAIL LOCO wrote:

or toss the end of the
line over a lifeline and use that as a 2:1 purchase.

I don't think a line around anything once would be a 2:1 purchase.

Geez. Is it too early in the morning over there? You're supposed
to be inside the bight!

Mind you, i still don't think it's likely to work, and my
solution is the best.

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What if #7
 

Sorry, but you can't do it. You don't need to drown yourself to prove
it. You can't do it at 4.5 knots unless that's your SOG and there is
about a 3 knot or better current flowing with you and the boat.

Bill, all you have to do is kick your legs behind you and get your body up a
bit. I'll show you this summer. I can actually do it at faster than 4.5 knots.

RB

What if #7
 

Pulling yourself back to the boat with the aid of a surfboard,
seatcushion, or an innertube does not even remotely count.


Even if permanenty affixed to the body?

Proposition: The Fool's Act
 

Flying Tadpole wrote in message ...
Bobsprit wrote:

The Boat: Cape Dory 36
Conditions: Fair, boat speed 4.5 knots on a reach

What a disaster! You were sailing alone, 400 miles offshore. No land or vessels
in sight. Your Autohelm 4000 autopilot engaged you sat down for a meal when you
heard a strange noise. Back on deck you see that part of the backstay adjuster
is coming loose. You get to work and place your foot on the aft railing. The
boat lurches from a gust and wave. It's a one in a million shot, but it's
happened. You've fallen off the boat!!!!
You spin fast in the water and grab the 15 foot long line you were trailing.
Slowly, chocking on water rushing over you, you manage to pull your self to the
stern. It's exhausting, but you make it to the stern. Only you can't pull the
ladder down!!! You can't get aboard. The rush of cold water is wearing you down
fast.

What can you do????




Turn the rudder with your feet to head upwind and stop the boat.

Joe




Stick your face underwater and take a REALLY deep breath, thus
ridding the gene pool of an idiot who not only was singlehanding
400mi offshore without any sort of tether/lifeline, but was
actually stupid enough to go working in an exposed position
without taking additional precautions.

I propose that there be a Fool's Act put up, or perhaps an
international treaty (Foolish Activities Rescue Refusal Treaty),
where anyone in their majority, regardless of their soundness of
mind or not, be permitted to indulge in whatever stupidity they
wish to, provided it neither physically damages another person,
and provided that they waive all rights to rescue. That way,
those who want to cross the SImpson Desert without water in the
height of summer are free to, those who wish to suicide offshore
may do so, and no-one (who doesn't actually desire to) need put
themselves at risk to retrieve the fools.

What if #7
 

wrote in
RB

Sorry, but you can't do it. You don't need to drown yourself to prove
it.

please, let him try it.

Proposition: The Fool's Act
 

Joe wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote in message ...
Bobsprit wrote:

The Boat: Cape Dory 36
Conditions: Fair, boat speed 4.5 knots on a reach

What a disaster! You were sailing alone, 400 miles offshore. No land or vessels
in sight. Your Autohelm 4000 autopilot engaged you sat down for a meal when you
heard a strange noise. Back on deck you see that part of the backstay adjuster
is coming loose. You get to work and place your foot on the aft railing. The
boat lurches from a gust and wave. It's a one in a million shot, but it's
happened. You've fallen off the boat!!!!
You spin fast in the water and grab the 15 foot long line you were trailing.
Slowly, chocking on water rushing over you, you manage to pull your self to the
stern. It's exhausting, but you make it to the stern. Only you can't pull the
ladder down!!! You can't get aboard. The rush of cold water is wearing you down
fast.

What can you do????



Turn the rudder with your feet to head upwind and stop the boat.

Joe

That wasn't my post but here's an answer: on Lady Kate you'd
never reach the rudder with any sort of water flow. I would
think the same goes for any sailboat that doesn't have a
transom-mounted rudder. More to the point, if you must trail a
line then attach it to the tiller so that if you did grab it in
the suicide scenario it'd smash the self steering, set the boat
aback and dismast. Wheel steering? Take another breath of water.
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Break Away, Sail Away and putz away
now at http://music.download.com/internetopera

What if #7
 

The proper setup for the line overboard is to have it release the autopilot and
head the boat into the wind. Of course, this is easier to imagine that with an
old mechanical self steering rig, not a modern autohelm. And a CD 36 is rather
hard to coax off its course.

Many years ago we took turns being dragged behind a 40 footer doing about 6
knots - I can't imagine being able to pull back to the boat against in that
situation.




wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:59:54 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:34:34 -0400, Martin Baxter
scribbled thusly:

wrote:

O


Highly unlikely that you were able to grab a 15 foot line at that speed,
much
less hang on and pull yourself back to the boat. By the time you hit the
water
and spun, the line was already gone.

BB

Bingo! BB wins the cupie doll! Anybody here ever tried this trick? Even if
you do it on purpose,
just to see, it's pretty much impossible even with a 25 foot line. Before
anyone hangs a line of
their stern and thinks that this is a substitute for proper seamanship they
should try it, with someone
still on the boat to drive of course, your illusions of safety will be
quickly evaporated.

Cheers
Marty

We have to assume that in this case the line was caught and
held...make it 100' long if you wish.



The facts were given as a 15 foot line. You can't assume it to be
anything else, anymore than you can assume it all happened on dry land
with a boat that was not moving.

Just for fun, drag a 200 foot rope behind a boat that is traveling at
4.5 knots. Make it a 500 foot rope if you prefer. Jump overboard and
grab it while in the water. Then see if you can pull yourself back to
the boat. You can't. Jack LaLanne in his prime couldn't do it. Neither
could Buster Crabb, Mike Tyson or Ahnold the Barbarian. Ain't gonna
happen.

BB

Proposition: The Fool's Act
 

I'm surprised no one offers a gizmo that would electronically undo the
autopilot if the rope is pulled hard enough. IIRC my autopilot has a
'deadman' setting, I believe you must reset it every 15 minutes or it will
steer upwind(?).

Scotty

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Joe wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:

The Boat: Cape Dory 36
Conditions: Fair, boat speed 4.5 knots on a reach

What a disaster! You were sailing alone, 400 miles offshore. No land
or vessels
in sight. Your Autohelm 4000 autopilot engaged you sat down for a
meal when you
heard a strange noise. Back on deck you see that part of the
backstay adjuster
is coming loose. You get to work and place your foot on the aft
railing. The
boat lurches from a gust and wave. It's a one in a million shot, but
it's
happened. You've fallen off the boat!!!!
You spin fast in the water and grab the 15 foot long line you were
trailing.
Slowly, chocking on water rushing over you, you manage to pull your
self to the
stern. It's exhausting, but you make it to the stern. Only you can't
pull the
ladder down!!! You can't get aboard. The rush of cold water is
wearing you down
fast.

What can you do????



Turn the rudder with your feet to head upwind and stop the boat.

Joe

That wasn't my post but here's an answer: on Lady Kate you'd
never reach the rudder with any sort of water flow. I would
think the same goes for any sailboat that doesn't have a
transom-mounted rudder. More to the point, if you must trail a
line then attach it to the tiller so that if you did grab it in
the suicide scenario it'd smash the self steering, set the boat
aback and dismast. Wheel steering? Take another breath of water.
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Break Away, Sail Away and putz away
now at http://music.download.com/internetopera

What if #7
 

Sorry Nutsy,

Your "What if" just doesn't play out. At 4.5 knots you would never
connect to a 15' line. CASE CLOSED!

RB is a Baby
 

Am not You are.


RB
"Bobspirt" wrote in message ...
After all the posts slamming many others around here, RB takes a little beating
in return and what happens? He turns tail and runs away. Seems he can dish
it, but can't take it. Somehow, that doesn't surprise. It is in keeping with
his timidity in all things requiring a little fortitude.