"Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless... the time
for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is [now] while our
rulers are honest, and ourselves united. From the conclusion of
this war we shall be going downhill. It will not then be necessary
to resort every moment to the people for support.

They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded.
They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making
money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for
their rights.

The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the
conclusion of this war, will remain on us long, will be made
heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a
convulsion."

- Thomas Jefferson

Oretty scary premonition....maybe with modern science we could clone those
guys to come back and fix us again.

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katysails wrote:

Oretty scary premonition....

Not a premonition at all. it was the argument for writing the
constitution you still have.
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"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice!"

"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Shut up. You have no business quoting someone who was actually
intelligent, unlike you.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice!"

"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

"There are those amongst use who would rather crawl on their bellies to
Moscow than to face the possibility of atomic war"


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Shut up. You have no business quoting someone who was actually
intelligent, unlike you.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice!"

"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

The possibility is faced daily since inception of the weapon.

Moscow???.... a bit dated I think.

I'd be worried about your new "friends" you've made in the Arab world.
"Moscow" is selling... the Arabs are "buying".... you were busy navel
gazing when they flew the planes into the towers.... what have you learned
from that?? Nothing! The person who instigated it is still free. You've
managed to create a whole new generation of fanatics! Everytime you try to
play these guys for your own benefit they turn on you.

Embedded Journalists, poor supply lines and shoddy military strategy, no
comprehension of your foes, no plans for post conquest,....... total
military idiocy from a nation that has the power but not the intelligence to
achieve much greater goals.

Idiocy bordering on lunacy is what you've managed to date.... no
objectives, no plan, no common sense.

CM


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
| "There are those amongst use who would rather crawl on their bellies to
| Moscow than to face the possibility of atomic war"
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| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| Shut up. You have no business quoting someone who was actually
| intelligent, unlike you.
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| "j" ganz @@
| www.sailnow.com
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| "Bob Crantz" wrote in message
| ink.net...
| "Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice!"
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| "Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
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Well said.

Bob Crantz wrote

"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice!"

"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

You can say it. Goldwater could say it. Crantz is an idiot and a fascist.
He should keep his mouth shut.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Well said.

Bob Crantz wrote

"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice!"

"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

We would crucify them before they could do any good, over sometning like an
indescretion with a house maid or the like.
"katysails" wrote in message
...
Oretty scary premonition....maybe with modern science we could clone those
guys to come back and fix us again.

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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein