"Donal" wrote

"Jeff Morris" wrote
Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth
Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore."

You are hallucinating, Jeff.

What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour entrance is
"offshore"?

I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the "out of
context cops"???

OK, if you insist, let's review:

Peter said:

Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore,
he'd hit France.

And you responded:

Idiot!!!
The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!!
Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography.
Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical
miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance.

It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of
"offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you mention
that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you might have
said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of
departure from the British coast. Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a
ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to Peter's
claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away.

But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger measure.
And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry
Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty sore
right now!

-jeff
"As ye butter your bread, so shall ye lie in it."

Guess what? It's 240 km across Bass Strait. Nobody considers that's
offshore sailing. People kayak across.

PDW

In article , Jeff Morris
wrote:

"Donal" wrote

"Jeff Morris" wrote
Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth
Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore."

You are hallucinating, Jeff.

What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour entrance is
"offshore"?

I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the "out of
context cops"???

OK, if you insist, let's review:

Peter said:

Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore,
he'd hit France.

And you responded:

Idiot!!!
The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!!
Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography.
Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical
miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance.

It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of
"offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you mention
that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you might
have
said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of
departure from the British coast. Actually, most measures of "offshore"
start a
ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to Peter's
claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away.

But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger measure.
And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry
Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty sore
right now!

-jeff
"As ye butter your bread, so shall ye lie in it."

Peter Wiley wrote:

Guess what? It's 240 km across Bass Strait. Nobody considers that's
offshore sailing. People kayak across.


No, not people, however Austrailians do! ;-)

Cheers
Marty

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote

"Jeff Morris" wrote
Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth
Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be
"offshore."

You are hallucinating, Jeff.

What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour
entrance is
"offshore"?

I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the
"out of
context cops"???

OK, if you insist, let's review:

Peter said:

Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore,
he'd hit France.

And you responded:

Idiot!!!
The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!!
Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography.
Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical
miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance.

It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of
"offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you
mention
that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you
might have
said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of
departure from the British coast.

Nonsense! I don't go anywhere near St Cat's when I go to Cherbourg.

Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a
ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to
Peter's
claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away.

Really, Jeff! Is there no limit to the ignorance that you are willing to
display in a public forum?
There are *two* major flaws in your (very weak) argument.

1) If you sailed 30 miles offshore - how far from the shore would you be?

I am sure that you are not stupid enough to persist in your lame assertion
that I am actually 18 miles "Offshore" when I have sailed 30 miles out from
the shore.



2) I don't sail anywhere near St. Catherine's point when I go to Cherbourg!
If you want to move my "shore" out to sea, then you could use Bembridge
Ledge. That is still 64 miles from Cherbourg.





But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger
measure.

Nope! I made a factual statement.


BTW, I'm much better at pomposity than you are!

And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry
Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty
sore
right now!

Jeff, you should take another look at the chart.

My route to Cherbourg involves a trip to Bembridge Ledge, followed by a
beeline to Cherbourg.

Peter said that I would hit France if I Went 30 miles offshore.

You are a pair of idiots.


Regards


Donal
--






-jeff
"As ye butter your bread, so shall ye lie in it."

Sorry about the delay - I've been away for a few days. BTW, I was 125 miles
from my berth - how far offshore was I?

Comments interspersed ...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote

"Jeff Morris" wrote
Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth
Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be
"offshore."

You are hallucinating, Jeff.

What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour
entrance is
"offshore"?

I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the
"out of
context cops"???

OK, if you insist, let's review:

Peter said:

Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore,
he'd hit France.

And you responded:

Idiot!!!
The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!!
Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography.
Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical
miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance.

It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of
"offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you
mention
that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you
might have
said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of
departure from the British coast.

Nonsense! I don't go anywhere near St Cat's when I go to Cherbourg.

OK, you would pass a few miles away from it as you go along the Isle of Wight
coast. Big deal. I didn't really think you touch the light, since its on land.
You probably pass close enough by to see it on a clear day. So how far offshore
are you then?


Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a
ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to
Peter's
claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away.

Really, Jeff! Is there no limit to the ignorance that you are willing to
display in a public forum?
There are *two* major flaws in your (very weak) argument.

Flaws? Doubtful ...



1) If you sailed 30 miles offshore - how far from the shore would you be?


That depends on the local geography. Are you claiming that if you sailed 30
miles down a river you would be 30 miles offshore? Are you claiming that if
Booby went 30 mile NE from his berth he'd be 30 miles offshore?

Sorry Donal, any child understands the fallacy of this argument. This has to be
the stupidest thing you, or anyone else has claimed on this forum in a long
time!


I am sure that you are not stupid enough to persist in your lame assertion
that I am actually 18 miles "Offshore" when I have sailed 30 miles out from
the shore.

I just tossed that out as a possibility - here in the US East Coast an "Inland"
Master's License is good about 10 miles out. As I mentioned, there are a number
of ways to measure "offshore," but starting 8 miles behind an island is not one
of them.




2) I don't sail anywhere near St. Catherine's point when I go to Cherbourg!
If you want to move my "shore" out to sea, then you could use Bembridge
Ledge. That is still 64 miles from Cherbourg.


Do you really think I give a rat's ass what route you take? Even from
Bembridge you're going along the coast of the Isle of Wight for a number of
miles. Are you claiming that's offshore? All you've done here is to admit that
the Portsmouth Harbor entrance is not "offshore."





But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger
measure.

Nope! I made a factual statement.


You tried to claim that the Portsmouth Harbor entrance was "offshore." You're
either incompetent or a liar. Frankly, this casts serious doubt as to whether
you have even sailed in the area!

This is particularly egregious given that several posts back you scoffed at my
comments about going 20 mile "up the coast" and I pointed out the I didn't begin
to count the distance until I was in the open ocean. Now you're claiming that
offshore is 8 miles behind the Isle of Wight.



BTW, I'm much better at pomposity than you are!

I bow to the master! But this seems to be your only talent.



And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry
Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty
sore
right now!

Jeff, you should take another look at the chart.

Why? Are you still claiming the Portsmouth Harbor is "offshore"? Has it moved
lately, or is it still tucked in behind the Isle of Wight?

And why would you assume I even have a chart of your home waters? Frankly, I
doubt that many of the readers here have any knowledge of your area. We depend
on your honesty in describing your home waters - too bad you let us down.



My route to Cherbourg involves a trip to Bembridge Ledge, followed by a
beeline to Cherbourg.

So? Do you have a point here? You're just admitting that the point you claimed
was "offshore" is actually 8 miles inland of Bembridge.



Peter said that I would hit France if I Went 30 miles offshore.

You are a pair of idiots.

And what do you call someone who doesn't understand the water he claims to sail
in all the time? Surely "idiot" doesn't begin to measure the depth of your
blunder here, Donal.

"Jeff Morris" wrote ...
Sorry about the delay - I've been away for a few days. BTW, I was 125
miles
from my berth - how far offshore was I?

Not at all?

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Sorry about the delay - I've been away for a few days. BTW, I was 125
miles
from my berth - how far offshore was I?

Probably about a mile!



Peter said:

Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore,
he'd hit France.

And you responded:

Idiot!!!
The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!!
Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography.
Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical
miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance.

It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring
of
"offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you
mention
that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you
might have
said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point
of
departure from the British coast.

Nonsense! I don't go anywhere near St Cat's when I go to Cherbourg.

OK, you would pass a few miles away from it as you go along the Isle of
Wight
coast. Big deal. I didn't really think you touch the light, since its on
land.
You probably pass close enough by to see it on a clear day. So how far
offshore
are you then?

About three to five miles (from Ventnor).




Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a
ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to
Peter's
claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away.

Really, Jeff! Is there no limit to the ignorance that you are willing
to
display in a public forum?
There are *two* major flaws in your (very weak) argument.

Flaws? Doubtful ...

There is no doubt at all. One mile offshore is one mile from the shore.
That is completely different from "offshore sailing".






1) If you sailed 30 miles offshore - how far from the shore would you
be?


That depends on the local geography. Are you claiming that if you sailed
30
miles down a river you would be 30 miles offshore? Are you claiming that
if
Booby went 30 mile NE from his berth he'd be 30 miles offshore?

No. I'm trying t



I am sure that you are not stupid enough to persist in your lame
assertion
that I am actually 18 miles "Offshore" when I have sailed 30 miles out
from
the shore.

I just tossed that out as a possibility - here in the US East Coast an
"Inland"
Master's License is good about 10 miles out. As I mentioned, there are a
number
of ways to measure "offshore," but starting 8 miles behind an island is
not one
of them.

Why not start from the shoreline?

I get the impression that you cannot distinguish between "offshore sailing"
and "sailing x miles offshore".

I can often sail three miles offshore, but that is nothing like offshore
sailing.







2) I don't sail anywhere near St. Catherine's point when I go to
Cherbourg!
If you want to move my "shore" out to sea, then you could use Bembridge
Ledge. That is still 64 miles from Cherbourg.


Do you really think I give a rat's ass what route you take? Even from
Bembridge you're going along the coast of the Isle of Wight for a number
of
miles.

Not unless you have a very unusual tide. It is common to go near St Cats on
the return journey, however it is very unusual to go near it on the outward
leg.



Are you claiming that's offshore? All you've done here is to admit that
the Portsmouth Harbor entrance is not "offshore."

Once again, you demonstrate a pedantic desire to demonstrate that I have
claimed to have done "offshore sailing". I have never claimed to have done
"offshore sailing". I only sail in the English Channel.









But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger
measure.

Nope! I made a factual statement.


You tried to claim that the Portsmouth Harbor entrance was "offshore."
You're
either incompetent or a liar. Frankly, this casts serious doubt as to
whether
you have even sailed in the area!

This is particularly egregious given that several posts back you scoffed
at my
comments about going 20 mile "up the coast" and I pointed out the I didn't
begin
to count the distance until I was in the open ocean. Now you're claiming
that
offshore is 8 miles behind the Isle of Wight.



BTW, I'm much better at pomposity than you are!

I bow to the master! But this seems to be your only talent.

Correct!






And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned.
Sorry
Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty
sore
right now!

Jeff, you should take another look at the chart.

Why? Are you still claiming the Portsmouth Harbor is "offshore"? Has it
moved
lately, or is it still tucked in behind the Isle of Wight?

Jeff, if you sailed a mile out of Portsmouth Harbour, would you be a mile
offshore?




And why would you assume I even have a chart of your home waters?
Frankly, I
doubt that many of the readers here have any knowledge of your area. We
depend
on your honesty in describing your home waters - too bad you let us down.

Tsk. Tsk.





My route to Cherbourg involves a trip to Bembridge Ledge, followed by a
beeline to Cherbourg.

So? Do you have a point here? You're just admitting that the point you
claimed
was "offshore" is actually 8 miles inland of Bembridge.

I think that I claimed that I couldn't hit France when I was 30 miles
offshore.
You have made strenuous efforts to prove me wrong. You are a complete
idiot. So far, your argument is based upon your innacurate interpretation
of some large scale maps of the Solent. Let us assume that you are correct
when you (stupidly) think that I pass close to St Cats. How far is it from
St Cats to Cherbourg? Is it less than 30 miles - or is it 55 miles?






Peter said that I would hit France if I Went 30 miles offshore.

You are a pair of idiots.

And what do you call someone who doesn't understand the water he claims to
sail
in all the time? Surely "idiot" doesn't begin to measure the depth of
your
blunder here, Donal.

30 miles - or 55 miles, Jeff????

Regards


Donal
--

Jeff,

I'm not taking side with you and Donal. This discussion of offshore was
started by a statement that in the English Channel France was only 30
miles away. This is not a quote but a recap. Donal pointed out from his
Moorage to the nearest French Port was ( I think) he said 76 miles. That
sounded reasonable. The channel is a rather large body of water.

How the discussion got turned into an Offshore debate, I don't know?
Just wanted to say the channel is a large chunk off water. Doesn't have
to take a back seat to Chesapeake, Long Island Sound, SF Bay or my
beloved Puget Sound.

"nuff said:
Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jeff,

I'm not taking side with you and Donal. This discussion of offshore was
started by a statement that in the English Channel France was only 30
miles away. This is not a quote but a recap. Donal pointed out from his
Moorage to the nearest French Port was ( I think) he said 76 miles. That
sounded reasonable. The channel is a rather large body of water.

How the discussion got turned into an Offshore debate, I don't know?
Just wanted to say the channel is a large chunk off water. Doesn't have
to take a back seat to Chesapeake,

yes it does.

Its very simple Thom, we're not talking about the English Channel. We're
talking about the 10 to 15 miles of protected water Donal sails through before
he gets there.

Remember, just one or two posts earlier Donal had scoffed at my comment that I
had done a number of open ocean trips last year, the shortest of which was
twenty miles. I even mentioned that I didn't bother to count the distance until
we were in open water, with 3000 miles of fetch to the east. And before that
Donal insisted that it didn't count as sailing unless is was so rough you had
seal up the boat.

I agreed that Peter's estimate wasn't quite right, but pointed out that 30 miles
offshore would put you closer to France than to England. Donal was being rather
disingenuous first by presuming that everyone is fully aware of the details of
his home waters, and then by using a point miles behind an island and a large
breakwater as the beginning of "offshore."

Let me put it another way: if RB claimed he was going 50 miles offshore, where
would we start the measure? City Island? The Battery? Verrazanno? I think
that anyone from the area would say Sandy Hook is where you'd have to start.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jeff,

I'm not taking side with you and Donal. This discussion of offshore was
started by a statement that in the English Channel France was only 30
miles away. This is not a quote but a recap. Donal pointed out from his
Moorage to the nearest French Port was ( I think) he said 76 miles. That
sounded reasonable. The channel is a rather large body of water.

How the discussion got turned into an Offshore debate, I don't know?
Just wanted to say the channel is a large chunk off water. Doesn't have
to take a back seat to Chesapeake, Long Island Sound, SF Bay or my
beloved Puget Sound.

"nuff said:
Ole Thom