"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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That means
hatches were probably dogged.

Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway.


Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day.

On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping.

You don't prepare meals or eat? Often as not, someone will be down below.





There are lots of boats, and lots of
situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a
hatch
open. I
would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway,
weather
permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head)
have
been
cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years.

Where do you sail? ...in a river?

Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or
less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in
the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about
10
times.

Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh?

I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an
experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most
of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog.


On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the
boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following
where we
had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so
the
chop was 4-5 feet.

4 to 5 feet??? That MUST have been really awful! Your crew didn't panic,
did they


Most of the trips we had small chop on long swells - almost
any boat over 35 feet should stay bone dry.

So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!

Regards


Donal
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So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!


Warning!!! Donal actually believes that he's some kind of experienced sailor
over those who sail on lakes, rivers and "protected" waters!
He also sails a Beneteau! He also sails very few vessels, among the lowest
count here!

RB

On 19 Jun 2004 23:32:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!


Warning!!! Donal actually believes that he's some kind of experienced sailor
over those who sail on lakes, rivers and "protected" waters!
He also sails a Beneteau! He also sails very few vessels, among the lowest
count here!

RB

I believe that puts him several steps above you.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Is that where you like your boyfriend?

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
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I believe that puts him several steps above you.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Donal" wrote in message
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Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or
less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in
the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about
10
times.

Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh?

Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest trip
we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from our
berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's Vineyard,
around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The first leg
is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore.

In the 5 years we've had this boat we've logged about 8000 miles, ranging from
Toronto to Maine, to Florida.



I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an
experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most
of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog.

I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose
knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny shtick you
have there.




On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the
boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following
where we
had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so
the
chop was 4-5 feet.

4 to 5 feet??? That MUST have been really awful! Your crew didn't panic,
did they

They weren't happy when we dove through an 8 foot square wave - I thought it was
fun, but I could see to was the worst of the set.

BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height was
considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning. You'll
learn about this when you read that book.

I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days
it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten
down your Bendytoy.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or
less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm
in
the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast
about
10
times.

Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh?

Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest
trip
we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from
our
berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's
Vineyard,
around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The
first leg
is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore.

In the 5 years we've had this boat we've logged about 8000 miles, ranging
from
Toronto to Maine, to Florida.



I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an
experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to
most
of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog.

I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose
knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny
shtick you
have there.

I'm quite surprised that you accuse me of using "book" knowledge. I've made
some big gaffs here over the years - and most of them have been due to the
fact that I post the truth as I see it.


I've learned an awful lot from this ng, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
You, on the other hand, seem to feel that you are so experienced that you
can only dispense wisdom. I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

We all sail in completely different waters. Our communication gives us the
ability to learn from one another. I've learned things from reading your
posts.


BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height
was
considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning.
You'll
learn about this when you read that book.

I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next
several days
it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better
batten
down your Bendytoy.

Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit.

Regards


Donal
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I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

Guess again. Jeff bought a good quality boat. He has managed to avoid your
mistake.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

Guess again. Jeff bought a good quality boat. He has managed to avoid your
mistake.

6/10....... but I enjoyed it!

Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose
knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny
shtick you
have there.

I'm quite surprised that you accuse me of using "book" knowledge. I've made
some big gaffs here over the years - and most of them have been due to the
fact that I post the truth as I see it.

No Donal, I didn't accuse you of using "book" knowledge. I accused you of
stating what you assumed must be in the book, because it made sense to you.


I've learned an awful lot from this ng, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
You, on the other hand, seem to feel that you are so experienced that you
can only dispense wisdom. I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

You're being quite the hypocrite here. I only said the each skipper should make
there own decision based on their boat and the situation. You're the one who
dogmatically proclaimed "Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is
underway." Now, if you had said that you always do it, because of the nature
of your boat, or the area you sail, or the size of the crew, it would have been
an interesting, informative post. But you declared unequivocally, for all
boats, for all situations, for all time, "Hatches are always sealed when a
sailing boat is underway."

Now you're accusing me of only be capable of "dispensing wisdom" because I've
offered situations where perhaps your dogmatic rule doesn't apply. You're a
real piece of work, Donal.




We all sail in completely different waters. Our communication gives us the
ability to learn from one another. I've learned things from reading your
posts.


And I yours. I'm just yanking your chain here.



BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height
was
considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning.
You'll
learn about this when you read that book.

I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next
several days
it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better
batten
down your Bendytoy.

Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit.


Now that's a low blow! BTW, I did realize one factor I had ignored from your
weather report: the temperature there is only 60 degrees - if it's that cold
when I go out, I have the hatches closed too! We were sealed up today because
it was only 70. The issue gets more important when the air temp is over 90 and
the water is over 80.

On Sat., Lisa was in the V-berth reading with the forward hatch open a few
inches. I told her about the 'closed hatch' thread. Sure enough, 15 minutes
later some bow spray got her. She closed it and moved to the salon bunk.


Scotty



"Jeff Morris" wrote
Now that's a low blow! BTW, I did realize one factor I had ignored from
your
weather report: the temperature there is only 60 degrees - if it's that
cold
when I go out, I have the hatches closed too! We were sealed up today
because
it was only 70. The issue gets more important when the air temp is over
90 and
the water is over 80.