On 18 Jun 2004 02:09:43 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

You bought a poor boat...twice.

And you have what?


I have a C&C and that's a builder with about 50 times more respect than Hunter
has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter.

RB


You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Yeah, but we've all seen the new hunters.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 18 Jun 2004 02:09:43 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

You bought a poor boat...twice.

And you have what?


I have a C&C and that's a builder with about 50 times more respect than
Hunter
has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter.

RB


You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Joe wrote
"Bart Senior" wrote

I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England.

http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm

And I was pleased to see this!

ERICSON 46 72

Soooo you race huh?

Nice looking boat, what size is it?

Joe

I have no immediate plans to race any of my boats this year.
I may crew on an Express 37, but I'm not sure I'll have time.
At some point I will race my boats. There is much involved
in that. Unless you are racing one-design, you need to be
rated by whatever standard you are using, PHRF for example.
You need your sails measured. And some of this stuff won't
get done unless you join the association and pay some dues.
For offshore, you need to comply with various safety standards
and that is smart, but expensive.

The boat is 45' 10".

I like what I call performance sailing. Not quite as serious as
racing, but a fast as I can reasonably go given whatever crew
size I have, and fewer headaches or paperwork.

This big boat I wanted because I felt limited in some areas
--night sailing, and cruising. I also figured that if the boat was
big enough to live on it is more like a second home that could
be moved. My brother Dwight wants to go to Block Island,
and he won't have to twist my arm as its on the way to Maine,
and has a great harbor. He can bring his tandem kayak too!

ECHO is big and comfortable. Dwight, Dawson-a friend,
Dwight's two 80 lb dogs he found in the wild, and I were all
out today, and had tons of room. The dogs found places
under the cockpit in the aft cabin while we dodged south and
then east to miss the lighting, but got soaked.

It is easy for any number of people to rest below. One
more person along would have been nice.

Dawson crewed on a schooner in his youth,up in Maine.
He said something about this being his first chance to drive
a big boat, and I gave him the helm almost the whole trip, and
he loved it--even in the rain. A memorable trip for us all.

The main went up easy, and the drifter was big, but pretty
light and easy to set. Dawson got to feel the power the boat
could develop. I got to play with sail trim. And I now know
how to get more out of the boat.

We made a hasty departure as tide and timing were good.
We had a few little minor mechanical problems, nothing
that can't be fixed for next time out.

I got to experiment with different ways of using my organ
grinder. The biggest of the other deck winches could not
haul in my drifter when we tacked, not without agonizing effort.
The organ grinder is at least a foot across if not bigger. In
low gear triming was effortlessly, no fatigue. It made sail trim
fun and easy.

ECHO's been a fun project--but it's not over. Lots more to
do on the interior.

Bart

I've been on lots of Hunters. The very old ones have a bad reputation;
the newer ones are nice boats. I paritcularlly like the 376, except
sleeping the curved settee is uncomfortable.

Horvath wrote .
On 16 Jun 2004 10:32:00 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"?
You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in
rainbow.


Horvath, in all seriousness, the Hunter marque is among the worst and
garners
far less respect than Jonathan's Cal, which is certainly considered
"classic
plastic. In the last 3 years Hunter has greatly improved quality control
matching Catalina and exceeding Beneteau, but earlier Hunter's are
frowned on
by sailors and surveyors alike. If your Hunter is less than 3 years old,
you
may have a reasonable low end boat. If not, you have my sympathy, but
then you
should have done your homework before buying.


You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic.
And my new Hunter 336 is even better. But what do you know? You
don't even know what a whisker pole is.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter.

RB


You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap.


Wrong again. The design of the 99 is what led me to make a deal for the 34XL,
which is very much like the 110.
As usual you don't know a thing. But how could you? You bought a Hunter!

RB

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:35:39 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Yeah, but we've all seen the new hunters.

I have too, and they're fine boats.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 18 Jun 2004 10:22:07 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter.

RB


You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap.


Wrong again. The design of the 99 is what led me to make a deal for the 34XL,
which is very much like the 110.
As usual you don't know a thing. But how could you? You bought a Hunter!

RB

The C & C 99 I saw at a boat show 18 months ago had doors that
wouldn't shut, and interior trim falling off. A new C&C at my yacht
club has the same shoddy manufacturing, and the owners complain that
the hatches all leak.

The new C&C that I saw at the Chicago Boat Show just six months ago,
had some of these problems corrected, but one door going to the head
was propped open in such a way, as to make it impossible to close. I
suspect the shoddy manufacturing made it unable to shut, and the
dealer made a hasty repair, so nobody would notice.

BTW, it doesn't come with a whisker pole.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

They're pieces of crap just like yours.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:35:39 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Yeah, but we've all seen the new hunters.

I have too, and they're fine boats.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Bart, please be quiet! I'm trying to upset Horass.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. ..
I've been on lots of Hunters. The very old ones have a bad reputation;
the newer ones are nice boats. I paritcularlly like the 376, except
sleeping the curved settee is uncomfortable.

Horvath wrote .
On 16 Jun 2004 10:32:00 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"?
You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in
rainbow.


Horvath, in all seriousness, the Hunter marque is among the worst and
garners
far less respect than Jonathan's Cal, which is certainly considered
"classic
plastic. In the last 3 years Hunter has greatly improved quality
control
matching Catalina and exceeding Beneteau, but earlier Hunter's are
frowned on
by sailors and surveyors alike. If your Hunter is less than 3 years
old,
you
may have a reasonable low end boat. If not, you have my sympathy, but
then you
should have done your homework before buying.


You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic.
And my new Hunter 336 is even better. But what do you know? You
don't even know what a whisker pole is.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

They're pieces of crap just like yours.

You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was
throwing away.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!