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Kerry in trouble!
Source: Newsmax
URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...7/101857.shtml Published: Jun 7, 2004 Author: Carl Limbacher & Newsmax Sen. John Kerry's former presidential campaign manager said Monday that he'd been "dreading" the prospect of Ronald Reagan's death because it was likely to give President Bush a major political boost. "I've been dreading this every election year for three cycles," said Jim Jordan, who resigned from the Kerry campaign last year, in comments to the New York Times. "Bush has totally attached himself to Ronald Reagan. He's going to turn Reagan into his own verifier." Kerry campaign aides said they hoped the political impact of Reagan's death would fade by the summer, but top Republicans believe that many Americans will view Bush as the Republican icon's rightful political heir. "The parallels are there. I don't know how you miss them," Republican National Committee chief Ed Gillespie told the Times, an apparent reference to the fact that the hallmarks of both the Bush and Reagan presidencies have been strengthening national defense and cutting taxes. Another problem for the Kerry campaign: Kerry himself was a staunch Reagan critic who worked hard at undermining the 40th president's anti-communist initiatives. As an early backer of the nuclear freeze movement, Kerry made common cause with European leftists who denounced Reagan as a reckless cowboy for countering Soviet SS-20 missile emplacements in Eastern Europe with U.S. Pershing IIs. More dramatically, Kerry made a highly publicized trip to Nicaragua in 1985 to offer support for Soviet-backed Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega. A photo documenting the episode shows Kerry shaking the hand of Ortega, who flew off to Moscow the next week to cement military ties with the Politboro. Kerry even criticized Reagan for being too aggressive in the war on terrorism, blasting him for bombing Libyan dictator Col. Gadhafi's presidential compound in 1986 after Gadhafi had been linked to an attack on a Berlin disco frequented by U.S. troops. In a 1986 letter unearthed by radio host Sean Hannity for his recent book, "Deliver Us from Evil," Kerry wrote: "It is obvious that our response was not proportional to the disco bombing and even violated the Administration's own guidelines to hit clearly defined terrorist targets, thereby minimizing the risk to innocent civilians." Kerry added that it was a "mistake" for Reagan to have targeted the "head of state of another country - no matter how repugnant we find the leader." "We are not going to solve the problem of terrorism with this kind of retaliation," he concluded. |
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OzOne wrote in message Can you see that the "Might is right" philosophy of the US has lead to the only retaliation available to those lacking in might. The terrorist has been spawned under this philosophy and grew stronger every time the US exerted its might. You may be right, but unfortunately there is no turning back now. One of two outcomes will prevail: 1) might will triumph over terrorism, or 2) terrorism will triumph over might and destroy the USA. Kerry was correct. Kerry probably never had an original thought in his career. He's little more than just another corrupt politician. Max. |
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:38:17 +1000, OzOne wrote this crap:
Can you see that the "Might is right" philosophy of the US has lead to the only retaliation available to those lacking in might. Uh... What happened to negotiations? The terrorist has been spawned under this philosophy and grew stronger every time the US exerted its might. Kerry was correct. Were you born this stupid? Or do you study? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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You're a freak. However, if Carter should die, we could re-elect
Hillary no problem. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bob Crantz" wrote in message link.net... Source: Newsmax URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...7/101857.shtml Published: Jun 7, 2004 Author: Carl Limbacher & Newsmax Sen. John Kerry's former presidential campaign manager said Monday that he'd been "dreading" the prospect of Ronald Reagan's death because it was likely to give President Bush a major political boost. "I've been dreading this every election year for three cycles," said Jim Jordan, who resigned from the Kerry campaign last year, in comments to the New York Times. "Bush has totally attached himself to Ronald Reagan. He's going to turn Reagan into his own verifier." Kerry campaign aides said they hoped the political impact of Reagan's death would fade by the summer, but top Republicans believe that many Americans will view Bush as the Republican icon's rightful political heir. "The parallels are there. I don't know how you miss them," Republican National Committee chief Ed Gillespie told the Times, an apparent reference to the fact that the hallmarks of both the Bush and Reagan presidencies have been strengthening national defense and cutting taxes. Another problem for the Kerry campaign: Kerry himself was a staunch Reagan critic who worked hard at undermining the 40th president's anti-communist initiatives. As an early backer of the nuclear freeze movement, Kerry made common cause with European leftists who denounced Reagan as a reckless cowboy for countering Soviet SS-20 missile emplacements in Eastern Europe with U.S. Pershing IIs. More dramatically, Kerry made a highly publicized trip to Nicaragua in 1985 to offer support for Soviet-backed Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega. A photo documenting the episode shows Kerry shaking the hand of Ortega, who flew off to Moscow the next week to cement military ties with the Politboro. Kerry even criticized Reagan for being too aggressive in the war on terrorism, blasting him for bombing Libyan dictator Col. Gadhafi's presidential compound in 1986 after Gadhafi had been linked to an attack on a Berlin disco frequented by U.S. troops. In a 1986 letter unearthed by radio host Sean Hannity for his recent book, "Deliver Us from Evil," Kerry wrote: "It is obvious that our response was not proportional to the disco bombing and even violated the Administration's own guidelines to hit clearly defined terrorist targets, thereby minimizing the risk to innocent civilians." Kerry added that it was a "mistake" for Reagan to have targeted the "head of state of another country - no matter how repugnant we find the leader." "We are not going to solve the problem of terrorism with this kind of retaliation," he concluded. |
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Maxy, terrorism can't win by definition.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... OzOne wrote in message Can you see that the "Might is right" philosophy of the US has lead to the only retaliation available to those lacking in might. The terrorist has been spawned under this philosophy and grew stronger every time the US exerted its might. You may be right, but unfortunately there is no turning back now. One of two outcomes will prevail: 1) might will triumph over terrorism, or 2) terrorism will triumph over might and destroy the USA. Kerry was correct. Kerry probably never had an original thought in his career. He's little more than just another corrupt politician. Max. |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:20:36 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote: Source: Newsmax URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...7/101857.shtml Published: Jun 7, 2004 Author: Carl Limbacher & Newsmax Sen. John Kerry's former presidential campaign manager said Monday that he'd been "dreading" the prospect of Ronald Reagan's death because it was likely to give President Bush a major political boost. snip Hard for me to imagine that happening. Watching Bush fumbling around Europe, getting his ass kicked everywhere he goes, including the Vatican, is probably what killed Reagan. Someone accidentally left CNN on and he was heard to mutter, "what an idiot" and keeled over. Although actually from Connecticut, Bush needs to think back to his days in Texas and get a rodeo clown or two to distract the angry bulls while he tries to escape. Reagan dying sure won't do it. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxy, terrorism can't win by definition. We all seem to be having a problem defining "win." But be rest assured that terrorism can destroy. A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression so deep it conceivably could not recover. The stock markets would collapse and commerce would grind to a near-standstill. You may not call that a "win," but I'll bet bin Laden might. Max |
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OzOne wrote in message On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:02:55 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: You may be right, but unfortunately there is no turning back now. One of two outcomes will prevail: 1) might will triumph over terrorism, or 2) terrorism will triumph over might and destroy the USA. Actually I see the third option, that it will all die down after a regrettably long time with an horrendous loss of life. You could be right, but I'd tend to doubt that outcome considering the degree of fanatacism of the current crop of Islamic radicals or our current president. Max |
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But be rest assured that
terrorism can destroy. FLASH!!!! This just in!!! Terrorism can destroy! Also: Reagan still dead and water remains wet! Standby for more exciting Maxipad updates! RB |
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I don't buy it. We would survive and perhaps be stronger in the very
long run. Usama might agree that it would be a win, but ultimately it wouldn't be. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxy, terrorism can't win by definition. We all seem to be having a problem defining "win." But be rest assured that terrorism can destroy. A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression so deep it conceivably could not recover. The stock markets would collapse and commerce would grind to a near-standstill. You may not call that a "win," but I'll bet bin Laden might. Max |
Kerry in trouble! NYC & DC gone!
"Maxprop" wrote
...... A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression .... As hard as it may be for those who live in or love NY and DC, the loss of both might well benefit the country! There'd be a lot of hand wringing but what does either city produce that America wouldn't be better off without? Tons of garbage and hundreds of mindles laws and edicts every day? A new president would take over and form a temporary gummymint IAW a cold-war law designed to deal with exactly such an event and the nation would go on much like nothing had happened. States would appoint new Congressmen and Senators til permanent ones, and a president, could be elected and a year later it'd be Life as Usual. It'd be a shame if all our historic papers were lost, not to mention the lives, but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I don't buy it. We would survive and perhaps be stronger in the very long run. Usama might agree that it would be a win, but ultimately it wouldn't be. I dont buy it either. Did the attack on pearl harbor cause a depression?. If those slack dick terrorist try to pull off here what they did in spain its going to backfire on them bigtime. Americans like the way president bush has delt with terrorist, he going to keep on them until they are all dead or rotting at Gitmo. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxy, terrorism can't win by definition. We all seem to be having a problem defining "win." But be rest assured that terrorism can destroy. A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression so deep it conceivably could not recover. The stock markets would collapse and commerce would grind to a near-standstill. You may not call that a "win," but I'll bet bin Laden might. Max |
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Joe wrote:
I dont buy it either. Did the attack on pearl harbor cause a depression? Good rhetorical question. Why is the tremendous amount of spending on the war in Iraq not helping the economy more? I don't really know, but I can offer a couple of possibilities, none of which look good for Bush/Cheney. .. If those slack dick terrorist try to pull off here what they did in spain its going to backfire on them bigtime. Americans like the way president bush has delt with terrorist, he going to keep on them until they are all dead or rotting at Gitmo. You mean like the ones that have been let go, after over a year in jail, because there is no reason to assume they were ever terrorists? If President Bush and his administration were in fact going after terrorists, I'd applaud their efforts. But they are not, they are pursuing incredibly huge profits (and even that is not enough, as evidenced by Halliburton's ~$90 million overcharges) while ignoring the defense of the country. DSK |
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"Vito" wrote ...
" but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? |
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"Vito" wrote ...
" but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? Scott Vernon wrote: not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? Agreed. But just get rid of them? We should see if we could trade 'em for, say, Singapore, Rio, and ummm... trying to think of another big city I've liked... DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... "Vito" wrote ... " but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? Scott Vernon wrote: not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? Agreed. But just get rid of them? We should see if we could trade 'em for, say, Singapore, Rio, and ummm... trying to think of another big city I've liked... Boston, Baltimore? oops, same city. ;) |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message But be rest assured that terrorism can destroy. FLASH!!!! This just in!!! Terrorism can destroy! Also: Reagan still dead and water remains wet! Standby for more exciting Maxipad updates! Nothing of substance to say. Nothing to refute statements you know are right. You're boring, Bubbles. Max |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I don't buy it. We would survive and perhaps be stronger in the very long run. In whose lifetime? Do you invest in the market, Ganz? Do you honestly believe there would be anything left for your retirement following such an attack? If so, invest away, and good luck. If you really believe your statement (above) why not supply al Qaeda with a nuke or three to *strengthen* the US in the long run? Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxy, terrorism can't win by definition. We all seem to be having a problem defining "win." But be rest assured that terrorism can destroy. A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression so deep it conceivably could not recover. The stock markets would collapse and commerce would grind to a near-standstill. You may not call that a "win," but I'll bet bin Laden might. Max |
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"DSK" wrote in message Joe wrote: I dont buy it either. Did the attack on pearl harbor cause a depression? Good rhetorical question. Why is the tremendous amount of spending on the war in Iraq not helping the economy more? Probably because we don't have a tangible enemy, as we did in WWII. We are jousting with shadows, and not inflicting much damage in the so-called "war on terrorism." Might as well be ****ing platinum down the toilet. Tangible results and benefits have positive effects on an economy. Note how the stock market bumped when the statue of Saddam was torn down. Also note how it has fluctuated every time bad news from the Iraqi front airs. Max |
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OzOne wrote in message On 8 Jun 2004 11:14:35 -0700, (Joe) scribbled thusly: I dont buy it either. Did the attack on pearl harbor cause a depression?. If those slack dick terrorist try to pull off here what they did in spain its going to backfire on them bigtime. Americans like the way president bush has delt with terrorist, he going to keep on them until they are all dead or rotting at Gitmo. Joe Yep, that's the attitude that will keep it fired up an ultimately lead to serious financial problems for the US ...at least. Yes, at least. But as I've stated before, we are committed to continue this process. To flinch now would only encourage terrorism. To escalate the "war on terrorism" probably accomplishes roughly the same thing. No-win situation, and we Americans are paying the bill. Max |
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"Vito" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote ...... A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression .... As hard as it may be for those who live in or love NY and DC, the loss of both might well benefit the country! There'd be a lot of hand wringing but what does either city produce that America wouldn't be better off without? Tons of garbage and hundreds of mindles laws and edicts every day? A new president would take over and form a temporary gummymint IAW a cold-war law designed to deal with exactly such an event and the nation would go on much like nothing had happened. States would appoint new Congressmen and Senators til permanent ones, and a president, could be elected and a year later it'd be Life as Usual. It'd be a shame if all our historic papers were lost, not to mention the lives, but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? I really hope this is tongue-in-cheek. Max |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message "Vito" wrote ... " but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? Um, would you mind if I had one last dinner at Angelo's first? Max |
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"DSK" wrote in message "Vito" wrote ... " but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? Scott Vernon wrote: not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? Agreed. But just get rid of them? We should see if we could trade 'em for, say, Singapore, Rio, and ummm... trying to think of another big city I've liked... Sydney. Oz seems to think it's perfect. Max |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message "DSK" wrote in message ... "Vito" wrote ... " but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? Scott Vernon wrote: not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? Agreed. But just get rid of them? We should see if we could trade 'em for, say, Singapore, Rio, and ummm... trying to think of another big city I've liked... Boston, Baltimore? oops, same city. I'd trade 'em both for Paris, but ya gotta remove the Frenchies first. Max |
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OzOne wrote in message On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:09:59 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:02:55 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: You may be right, but unfortunately there is no turning back now. One of two outcomes will prevail: 1) might will triumph over terrorism, or 2) terrorism will triumph over might and destroy the USA. Actually I see the third option, that it will all die down after a regrettably long time with an horrendous loss of life. You could be right, but I'd tend to doubt that outcome considering the degree of fanatacism of the current crop of Islamic radicals or our current president. Oh he'll be well gone by then. I'm talking at least another 2 presidents before it's calm again. What makes you think the next two presidents will behave/perform any differently than this one? You have far more optimism than I. Must have something to do with hanging by your feet with all that blood rushing to your head. Max |
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What makes you think the next two presidents will behave/perform any
differently than this one? You have far more brains than I. Exactly. RB |
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Also: Reagan still dead and water remains wet!
Standby for more exciting Maxipad updates! Nothing of substance to say. Nothing to refute statements Nope. You're right about Reagan being still dead and water IS wet. Good one, Maxipad! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
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Maxi wrote...
I really hope this is your tongue-in-my-cheek. Max What a total homo! RB |
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Maxi wrote:
Um, would you mind if I had one last Fling with Angelo's first? Max Maxipad, seriously, take the gay stuff somewhere else, okay? Thanks! RB |
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"Joe" wrote
.... Americans like the way president bush has delt with terrorist, Too bad he quit dealing with terrorists to go whip up on Israel's enemy Saddam. |
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OzOne wrote
Can't see how continually stirring up a hornets nest does any good. You might just have to back off, get stung a few times and let it rest till all parties are in a more talkative mood. We are beset by terrorists because of our ongoing support for the invasion of Palistine and the slow eradication of its indigineous Muslim population by Jewish outsiders. These terrorist attacks can only worsen as the last Palistinians are either killed or driven out. I cannot blame either side because there is plenty of blame to go around. The original Jewish European invaders had been driven from their homes by Nazis then kept from returning by their Christian neighbors, leaving them no place to go. The Palistinians have no effective weapons with which to fight Israeli helo's and artillery so they become suicide bombers - terrorists if you will. Now their allies such as Al Quida are attacking Israel's allies. We can say "If. If, If" but it will never end until Israel has eradicated all of the Palistinians or vice versa. Slick Willy Clinton had a compromise deal almost tied up - until the current PM of Israel defiled a mosque. And that'll go on and on .... so long as people are stupid enough to believe that Abraham met the all-seeing creator of the universe hoofing across a desert to check on rumors, fed him a veal sandwich, and was given half the middle east in return for circumcising himself and all the men in his household - because that belief is the cornerstone of Judism, Chritianity and Islam. The belief itself isn't the problem, the problem is people are stupid enough to believe it. My solution? I dunno - maybe hire some ex-KGB agents to come up with something. After all the Balkans became much like the middle east after they went home. Maybe a dose of stalinism would help straighten out the region. But not to worry - the Yellowstone Caldera will take care of it. |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message k.net...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I don't buy it. We would survive and perhaps be stronger in the very long run. In whose lifetime? Do you invest in the market, Ganz? Do you honestly believe there would be anything left for your retirement following such an attack? If so, invest away, and good luck. What if your investments were in Clean up type companies, radation detection companys, body bag mfgrs, coffin mfgrs, construction, lumber, bricks, glass ect. I think you underestimate the American people Max. You need to drive across country and look at the almost unlimited supply of resources. If Americans all got involved and cared like they did in WWII this great nation can overcome anything. Like that jap said "I fear all we have done is awaken an angry giant" We are on the terrorist's like chickens on a june bug. They are very busy trying not to get killed right now. Lets keep up the pressure. It's easy to get sucker punched, its stupid to get sucker punched twice. Joe If you really believe your statement (above) why not supply al Qaeda with a nuke or three to *strengthen* the US in the long run? Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxy, terrorism can't win by definition. We all seem to be having a problem defining "win." But be rest assured that terrorism can destroy. A one megaton nuke set off in NYC or Washington, DC, with substantial damage to the infrastructure (not to mention the population) could put this country in a depression so deep it conceivably could not recover. The stock markets would collapse and commerce would grind to a near-standstill. You may not call that a "win," but I'll bet bin Laden might. Max |
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Sydney. Oz seems to think it's perfect.
OzOne wrote: It's pretty bloody close as capital cities go. ??? Did the Oz gov't move out of Canberra? Anyway, I'll come check it out. If I like it, can we trade? DSK |
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DSK wrote:
Sydney. Oz seems to think it's perfect. OzOne wrote: It's pretty bloody close as capital cities go. ??? Did the Oz gov't move out of Canberra? Anyway, I'll come check it out. If I like it, can we trade? It's like Baltimore and Boston, same thing. Cheers Marty |
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"DSK" wrote.
Why is the tremendous amount of spending on the war in Iraq not helping the economy more? Maxprop wrote: Probably because we don't have a tangible enemy, as we did in WWII. No. Dollars don't care about ideology. Have you ever heard of the term "velocity" referring to money & economics? It may or may not be the real reason, but the easiest way to explain the current situation (huge increase in gov't spending, no or only very small increase in aggregate demand or the overall economy) is that the velocity of the money spent is not high enough to generate more dollars being spent. I would explain this by saying that the people reaping these huge war profits are not spending the money as they rake it in. Probably sending it overseas. ... Note how the stock market bumped when the statue of Saddam was torn down. Also note how it has fluctuated every time bad news from the Iraqi front airs. The stock market is only a tiny portion of the overall economy. And it is a follower, not a leader, in the overall economy. For example, in 1929 we had an ongoing recession that was not reflected in the stock market... instead the stock market ballooned even more... for a while... The dot-com bust was the same. It made no sense whatever to place a huge valuation on companies with no profits and no productivity. And guess what, eventually the stock market followed! Suggested reading: http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/books...1929crash.html Regards Doug King |
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"Maxprop" wrote
Boston, Baltimore? oops, same city. I'd trade 'em both for Paris, Paris Hilton? |
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Sure, if Angelo is straight.
SV "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message "Vito" wrote ... " but who'd miss NYC or DC per se? not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also? Um, would you mind if I had one last dinner at Angelo's first? Max |
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I'd trade 'em both for Paris
If we could have the museums & cathedrals without the rest of the city and with only a few carefully selected French people, sure. Let's see, we'd want the sidewalk crepe stands, the wine stores, and a couple dozen of the restaurants too. Only problem is that Paris is too far away from any good sailing locations. Scott Vernon wrote: Paris Hilton? Naw, she's too skinny. Besides I am happily married. DSK |
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ozone wrote I'd trade 'em both for Paris, Paris Hilton? I hear she's had more meat go thru her than a wholesale butcher shop. and? |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On 9 Jun 2004 22:22:30 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: ozone wrote I'd trade 'em both for Paris, Paris Hilton? I hear she's had more meat go thru her than a wholesale butcher shop. and? and....she didn't pay for it....? do you? |
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