Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

I used to throw blowhards like him out of bars every night.

I don't believe you would have a response if someone knocked you off your bar
stool.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

Of course not. But, having guns tend to promote their use. It's
better to avoid the confrontation. Most of the time you'd be
out gunned anyway.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Bart Senior wrote:
http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html

No comment, Bart?

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been
dead.

???

The report doesn't say how the pirates were armed, I assume they were.

As for "trying to fight with guns," what are you trying to say? That any
attempt to resist the piracy would be futile? What if the pirates had
decided to cut their throats, or just drop them overboard? Leaves no
witnesses... they'd be just as dead. I do not advocate carrying firearms
but it is not necessarily the wisest course to trust the good intentions
of criminals.

What is disturbing to me about this incident is that it's in well
travelled waters where any cruisers going through the Panama Canal would
find themselves.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

You're a freakin idiot.

You're insane if you think a rifle shot is going to make them
happy and leave you alone. These kind of thieves have plenty
of weapons. The best thing to do is not to get too agressive
with them.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been
dead.


Bull, If they had a proper rifle they could of shot the helmsman of
the fishing vessel at 100 yards off. Pop a couple hundred rounds into
any wooden hull boat at the water line & the pirates would have more
important things to do than ram your boat. Your a victim waiting to
happen Johnathan. Anyone dumb enough to let any shady looking fishing
vessel approch them in the open ocean is asking to be killed and or
robbed.

Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a
pack of thiefs. They were lucky the thiefs did not put a bullet in
thier heads while they were tied up.


Joe


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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your
piece of crap boat.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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(Bobsprit) wrote in message
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Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a
pack of thiefs.


Clowns like Joe really make me laugh. I used to throw blowhards like him
out of
bars every night. He's so full of hot air and crap, he could float away
on a
**** bubble!

I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in
there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure
you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated
with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they
continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the
wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it
over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air.

Joe





Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:11:02 +1000, Peter Wiley
scribbled thusly:

In article , OzOne wrote:

On 3 Jun 2004 15:51:41 -0700, (Joe) scribbled
thusly:
. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it
over my dead body. .

Joe

That indeed will be the most likely scenario.

I do like the picture of you as John Wayne taking on a 20 or so
equally or better armed men.

Assumption on your part, Oz. 20 poorly armed men won't have any
problems taking over an unarmed vessel if they can catch it. Different
scenario if they're tackling a vessel where one or more people have a
good heavy calibre rifle and the skill/will to use it. I don't have any
real doubts as to my ability to seriously ruin someone's day if I had a
7.62 Nato and all they had was AK-47 type rifles or shotguns. Esp if I
still had some of the tracer ammo we used to use when spotlighting
years ago.

If they have better arms and numbers, you're toast. Best scenario is to
be somewhere else. That's my plan.

Now as to the wisdom, appropriateness and grit to do it - that's
another matter entirely and most people wouldn't, likely including me.
Problem as I see it is that by the time you've decided you're in deep
enough **** to start shooting, it's probably too late to do any good.
OTOH I'd have no qualms about putting a round over the wheelhouse if I
thought it necessary. No person/boat with innocent intent is going to
keep chasing you after that unless they're officials in which case
you're gonna get a personal introduction to their jail system. Better
hope it's a *lot* better than the USA one.

PDW

Sure, an assumption, but the reports of various incidents worldwide
seem to indicate that the majority of pirates are very heavily armed.
Reports also seem to indicate that resistance quite often results in
the most dire of circumstances for those involved.

I recall an acquaintance of mine who was a piracy victim. He was armed
but decided that he would not resist as it was evident that the
pirates were much better equipped. They boarded and looted the vessel.
He protested when one of the pirates groped a woman passenger and
promptly lost his forearm to a machete. He was tossed overboard and
was lucky enough to grab a trailing line, stem the blood flow and
reboard after they had left.

Philippines?

He still sails but now states taht he will never show any sign of non
compliance if in the same situation..and that even showing a weapon
would have resulted in almost certain death.

Yeah, look, I don't disagree. If you resist, you'd better win because
if you shoot a couple and then lose, you & everyone else is probably
going to get killed. It's a very high risk strategy. Like firing a
warning shot - pointless unless the next one is aimed at the wheelhouse
and the one after at the helmsman.

I was on a Taiwanese fishing boat back in the 80's which had got held
up by Indonesian pirates on the way down to the Australian Fishing
Zone. They had a line of 50 cal holes through the wheelhouse because
they didn't stop fast enough. They reckoned the Indonesian Navy did it
- 'one day Navy, next day pirates' and I don't doubt that was possible
too. There's nothing anyone on a small boat can do against a 50 cal (or
even a 30 cal) machine gun.

As I said my strategy is to be somewhere else.

PDW

If the bad guys have heavy automatic weapons, there's little point in
firing a rifle at them.

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your
piece of crap boat.

Shhhh! That's my strategy. Have a boat that looks so run-down that
nobody bothers you! Paint rust streaks down the hull, whatever.

PDW

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your
piece of crap boat.



Ah jelious huh? And what kinda of crap boat do you sail on Gay bay?




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"Joe" wrote in message
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(Bobsprit) wrote in message
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Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a
pack of thiefs.


Clowns like Joe really make me laugh. I used to throw blowhards like him
out of
bars every night. He's so full of hot air and crap, he could float away
on a
**** bubble!

I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in
there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure
you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated
with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they
continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the
wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it
over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air.

Joe





Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

Horvath wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jun 2004 15:51:41 -0700, (Joe) wrote this
crap:

I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in
there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure
you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated
with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they
continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the
wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it
over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air.

Yer blowin hot air. 30 rounds in ten seconds? That's three rounds a
second.

Don't bull**** me. I'm a weapons expert.

Then you know what a gat trigger will do on a preban AR15 eh?

Joe












Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

Joe,

How do you know they're Pirates at a 100 yards?

Ole Thom

Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
 

Yeah, but underneath it's a good boat. His is just a piece of crap.

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your
piece of crap boat.

Shhhh! That's my strategy. Have a boat that looks so run-down that
nobody bothers you! Paint rust streaks down the hull, whatever.

PDW