| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
|
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message et... http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Bart Senior wrote:
http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html No comment, Bart? Jonathan Ganz wrote: Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. ??? The report doesn't say how the pirates were armed, I assume they were. As for "trying to fight with guns," what are you trying to say? That any attempt to resist the piracy would be futile? What if the pirates had decided to cut their throats, or just drop them overboard? Leaves no witnesses... they'd be just as dead. I do not advocate carrying firearms but it is not necessarily the wisest course to trust the good intentions of criminals. What is disturbing to me about this incident is that it's in well travelled waters where any cruisers going through the Panama Canal would find themselves. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. Bull, If they had a proper rifle they could of shot the helmsman of the fishing vessel at 100 yards off. Pop a couple hundred rounds into any wooden hull boat at the water line & the pirates would have more important things to do than ram your boat. Your a victim waiting to happen Johnathan. Anyone dumb enough to let any shady looking fishing vessel approch them in the open ocean is asking to be killed and or robbed. Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. They were lucky the thiefs did not put a bullet in thier heads while they were tied up. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message et... http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a
pack of thiefs. Clowns like Joe really make me laugh. I used to throw blowhards like him out of bars every night. He's so full of hot air and crap, he could float away on a **** bubble! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
The report doesn't say how the pirates were armed,
Two per pirate. RB |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
|
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
OzOne wrote in message Like I said Joe, you're crazier than Bubbles! Um, well . . . . maybe. Nah. Bubbles is certifiable. Max |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
In article , OzOne wrote:
On 3 Jun 2004 15:51:41 -0700, (Joe) scribbled thusly: . No one will raid my boat, unless they do it over my dead body. . Joe That indeed will be the most likely scenario. I do like the picture of you as John Wayne taking on a 20 or so equally or better armed men. Assumption on your part, Oz. 20 poorly armed men won't have any problems taking over an unarmed vessel if they can catch it. Different scenario if they're tackling a vessel where one or more people have a good heavy calibre rifle and the skill/will to use it. I don't have any real doubts as to my ability to seriously ruin someone's day if I had a 7.62 Nato and all they had was AK-47 type rifles or shotguns. Esp if I still had some of the tracer ammo we used to use when spotlighting years ago. If they have better arms and numbers, you're toast. Best scenario is to be somewhere else. That's my plan. Now as to the wisdom, appropriateness and grit to do it - that's another matter entirely and most people wouldn't, likely including me. Problem as I see it is that by the time you've decided you're in deep enough **** to start shooting, it's probably too late to do any good. OTOH I'd have no qualms about putting a round over the wheelhouse if I thought it necessary. No person/boat with innocent intent is going to keep chasing you after that unless they're officials in which case you're gonna get a personal introduction to their jail system. Better hope it's a *lot* better than the USA one. PDW |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
I used to throw blowhards like him out of bars every night.
I don't believe you would have a response if someone knocked you off your bar stool. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Of course not. But, having guns tend to promote their use. It's
better to avoid the confrontation. Most of the time you'd be out gunned anyway. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message ... Bart Senior wrote: http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html No comment, Bart? Jonathan Ganz wrote: Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. ??? The report doesn't say how the pirates were armed, I assume they were. As for "trying to fight with guns," what are you trying to say? That any attempt to resist the piracy would be futile? What if the pirates had decided to cut their throats, or just drop them overboard? Leaves no witnesses... they'd be just as dead. I do not advocate carrying firearms but it is not necessarily the wisest course to trust the good intentions of criminals. What is disturbing to me about this incident is that it's in well travelled waters where any cruisers going through the Panama Canal would find themselves. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
You're a freakin idiot.
You're insane if you think a rifle shot is going to make them happy and leave you alone. These kind of thieves have plenty of weapons. The best thing to do is not to get too agressive with them. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. Bull, If they had a proper rifle they could of shot the helmsman of the fishing vessel at 100 yards off. Pop a couple hundred rounds into any wooden hull boat at the water line & the pirates would have more important things to do than ram your boat. Your a victim waiting to happen Johnathan. Anyone dumb enough to let any shady looking fishing vessel approch them in the open ocean is asking to be killed and or robbed. Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. They were lucky the thiefs did not put a bullet in thier heads while they were tied up. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message et... http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your
piece of crap boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. Clowns like Joe really make me laugh. I used to throw blowhards like him out of bars every night. He's so full of hot air and crap, he could float away on a **** bubble! I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air. Joe Bwahahahahaha! RB |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
In article , OzOne wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:11:02 +1000, Peter Wiley scribbled thusly: In article , OzOne wrote: On 3 Jun 2004 15:51:41 -0700, (Joe) scribbled thusly: . No one will raid my boat, unless they do it over my dead body. . Joe That indeed will be the most likely scenario. I do like the picture of you as John Wayne taking on a 20 or so equally or better armed men. Assumption on your part, Oz. 20 poorly armed men won't have any problems taking over an unarmed vessel if they can catch it. Different scenario if they're tackling a vessel where one or more people have a good heavy calibre rifle and the skill/will to use it. I don't have any real doubts as to my ability to seriously ruin someone's day if I had a 7.62 Nato and all they had was AK-47 type rifles or shotguns. Esp if I still had some of the tracer ammo we used to use when spotlighting years ago. If they have better arms and numbers, you're toast. Best scenario is to be somewhere else. That's my plan. Now as to the wisdom, appropriateness and grit to do it - that's another matter entirely and most people wouldn't, likely including me. Problem as I see it is that by the time you've decided you're in deep enough **** to start shooting, it's probably too late to do any good. OTOH I'd have no qualms about putting a round over the wheelhouse if I thought it necessary. No person/boat with innocent intent is going to keep chasing you after that unless they're officials in which case you're gonna get a personal introduction to their jail system. Better hope it's a *lot* better than the USA one. PDW Sure, an assumption, but the reports of various incidents worldwide seem to indicate that the majority of pirates are very heavily armed. Reports also seem to indicate that resistance quite often results in the most dire of circumstances for those involved. I recall an acquaintance of mine who was a piracy victim. He was armed but decided that he would not resist as it was evident that the pirates were much better equipped. They boarded and looted the vessel. He protested when one of the pirates groped a woman passenger and promptly lost his forearm to a machete. He was tossed overboard and was lucky enough to grab a trailing line, stem the blood flow and reboard after they had left. Philippines? He still sails but now states taht he will never show any sign of non compliance if in the same situation..and that even showing a weapon would have resulted in almost certain death. Yeah, look, I don't disagree. If you resist, you'd better win because if you shoot a couple and then lose, you & everyone else is probably going to get killed. It's a very high risk strategy. Like firing a warning shot - pointless unless the next one is aimed at the wheelhouse and the one after at the helmsman. I was on a Taiwanese fishing boat back in the 80's which had got held up by Indonesian pirates on the way down to the Australian Fishing Zone. They had a line of 50 cal holes through the wheelhouse because they didn't stop fast enough. They reckoned the Indonesian Navy did it - 'one day Navy, next day pirates' and I don't doubt that was possible too. There's nothing anyone on a small boat can do against a 50 cal (or even a 30 cal) machine gun. As I said my strategy is to be somewhere else. PDW If the bad guys have heavy automatic weapons, there's little point in firing a rifle at them. |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote: You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your piece of crap boat. Shhhh! That's my strategy. Have a boat that looks so run-down that nobody bothers you! Paint rust streaks down the hull, whatever. PDW |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your piece of crap boat. Ah jelious huh? And what kinda of crap boat do you sail on Gay bay? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. Clowns like Joe really make me laugh. I used to throw blowhards like him out of bars every night. He's so full of hot air and crap, he could float away on a **** bubble! I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air. Joe Bwahahahahaha! RB |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Horvath wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jun 2004 15:51:41 -0700, (Joe) wrote this crap: I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air. Yer blowin hot air. 30 rounds in ten seconds? That's three rounds a second. Don't bull**** me. I'm a weapons expert. Then you know what a gat trigger will do on a preban AR15 eh? Joe Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Joe,
How do you know they're Pirates at a 100 yards? Ole Thom |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Yeah, but underneath it's a good boat. His is just a piece of crap.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your piece of crap boat. Shhhh! That's my strategy. Have a boat that looks so run-down that nobody bothers you! Paint rust streaks down the hull, whatever. PDW |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Don't sail on "Gay bay." Is that what you're familiar with??
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your piece of crap boat. Ah jelious huh? And what kinda of crap boat do you sail on Gay bay? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. Clowns like Joe really make me laugh. I used to throw blowhards like him out of bars every night. He's so full of hot air and crap, he could float away on a **** bubble! I assure you I have the proper rifles to stop most boats dead in there tracks and Im an expert marksmans. Wanna see pictures? I assure you any vessel that vectors on me in the open ocean will be greated with a shot across the bow unless we have talked on the radio. If they continue in a threating way I will put a clip (30 rounds) into the wheelhouse in 10 seconds. No one will raid my boat, unless they do it over my dead body. And I aint kiddin or blowing hot air. Joe Bwahahahahaha! RB |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
God tells him.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Joe, How do you know they're Pirates at a 100 yards? Ole Thom |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. the pirates? |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
typical liberall wuss.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Of course not. But, having guns tend to promote their use. It's better to avoid the confrontation. Most of the time you'd be out gunned anyway. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message ... Bart Senior wrote: http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html No comment, Bart? Jonathan Ganz wrote: Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. ??? The report doesn't say how the pirates were armed, I assume they were. As for "trying to fight with guns," what are you trying to say? That any attempt to resist the piracy would be futile? What if the pirates had decided to cut their throats, or just drop them overboard? Leaves no witnesses... they'd be just as dead. I do not advocate carrying firearms but it is not necessarily the wisest course to trust the good intentions of criminals. What is disturbing to me about this incident is that it's in well travelled waters where any cruisers going through the Panama Canal would find themselves. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Bobsprit" wrote
I used to blow throwhards like him in bars every night. Bwahahahahaha! RB how come gays are so afraid of guns? SV |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote These kind of thieves have plenty of weapons. The best thing to do is put lipstick on and not get too agressive with them. |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Not typical.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... typical liberall wuss. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Of course not. But, having guns tend to promote their use. It's better to avoid the confrontation. Most of the time you'd be out gunned anyway. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message ... Bart Senior wrote: http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html No comment, Bart? Jonathan Ganz wrote: Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. ??? The report doesn't say how the pirates were armed, I assume they were. As for "trying to fight with guns," what are you trying to say? That any attempt to resist the piracy would be futile? What if the pirates had decided to cut their throats, or just drop them overboard? Leaves no witnesses... they'd be just as dead. I do not advocate carrying firearms but it is not necessarily the wisest course to trust the good intentions of criminals. What is disturbing to me about this incident is that it's in well travelled waters where any cruisers going through the Panama Canal would find themselves. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Don't know. Can you tell us?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote I used to blow throwhards like him in bars every night. Bwahahahahaha! RB how come gays are so afraid of guns? SV |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
I don't think that's the definition of sucking up.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... These kind of thieves have plenty of weapons. The best thing to do is put lipstick on and not get too agressive with them. |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
There's nothing anyone on a small boat can do against a 50 cal (or
even a 30 cal) machine gun. You could shoot the person firing the 50 cal. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
It was blowing dogs off chains
What? S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Have a boat that looks so run-down that
nobody bothers you! Paint rust streaks down the hull, whatever. "Alein" S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You're a freakin idiot. Your a freaking spinless left wing typical pushover You're insane if you think a rifle shot is going to make them happy and leave you alone. Your insane if you think anyone will be happy after a bullit flys over there head. And your even stupider to think they are going to leave you alone if you ball up in the fetal position in the corner of your cockpit like the big pussy you are. These kind of thieves have plenty of weapons. So do I. The best thing to do is not to get too agressive with them. Sounds like a typical left wing loser. The best thing to do is kill them before they can kill you. Bet you feel the same way about the terrorist, just do not get to agressive with them they might hurt you huh? Follows along with the left wing liberal agenda. They can kill you or your crew, steal from you, rape your women, but dont get to agressive with them, they might act like barbarians. Go suck your thumb sissy boy. Thats the best your capable of. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. Bull, If they had a proper rifle they could of shot the helmsman of the fishing vessel at 100 yards off. Pop a couple hundred rounds into any wooden hull boat at the water line & the pirates would have more important things to do than ram your boat. Your a victim waiting to happen Johnathan. Anyone dumb enough to let any shady looking fishing vessel approch them in the open ocean is asking to be killed and or robbed. Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. They were lucky the thiefs did not put a bullet in thier heads while they were tied up. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message et... http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"A for what's it worth" story.
I was talking to a blue water sailor, years ago, When I still lived back East. I was talking about sailing my own vessel thru the "Canal" He said, " When you leave US Territorial Water make sure you are sailing in a group if possible. He was sailing across the Gulf Of Mexico, with his family, sailing alone, when he was overtaken by Pirates. They too, were in a fishing boat. They had weapons aboard but he elected to not use them. He told his wife to go below and hide the guns below and behind the fresh water tank. She went below but instead of hiding the weapons, she popped up the forward hatch with her Beretta and took aim on the Pirate ship. She never got a shot off. She was killed with a single shot. They said they were zeroed in on the cockpit and hatches. They striped his vessel pretty much as describe in the article, offering apologies about his wife. Along with the Electronic and selection from the freezer were his guns. It was after that story I made the decision not to have guns or a freezer on my boat. I've keep to it thru four boats. By the way, I've never made it thru the "Canal" Ole Thom |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
Obviuosly, you're a foaming at the mouth right-wing loser, who would
rather act like an asshole than think about the consequences of your acts. It sounds to me like you have a lot of recent experience with sucking thumbs (or dicks). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... You're a freakin idiot. Your a freaking spinless left wing typical pushover You're insane if you think a rifle shot is going to make them happy and leave you alone. Your insane if you think anyone will be happy after a bullit flys over there head. And your even stupider to think they are going to leave you alone if you ball up in the fetal position in the corner of your cockpit like the big pussy you are. These kind of thieves have plenty of weapons. So do I. The best thing to do is not to get too agressive with them. Sounds like a typical left wing loser. The best thing to do is kill them before they can kill you. Bet you feel the same way about the terrorist, just do not get to agressive with them they might hurt you huh? Follows along with the left wing liberal agenda. They can kill you or your crew, steal from you, rape your women, but dont get to agressive with them, they might act like barbarians. Go suck your thumb sissy boy. Thats the best your capable of. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Yeah and if they had tried to fight with guns, they would have been dead. Bull, If they had a proper rifle they could of shot the helmsman of the fishing vessel at 100 yards off. Pop a couple hundred rounds into any wooden hull boat at the water line & the pirates would have more important things to do than ram your boat. Your a victim waiting to happen Johnathan. Anyone dumb enough to let any shady looking fishing vessel approch them in the open ocean is asking to be killed and or robbed. Don't stand up and fight for anything you have, just hand it over to a pack of thiefs. They were lucky the thiefs did not put a bullet in thier heads while they were tied up. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message et... http://www.mmsn.org/yumemaru.html |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
On 4 Jun 2004 08:17:22 -0700, (Joe) wrote this
crap: Don't bull**** me. I'm a weapons expert. Then you know what a gat trigger will do on a preban AR15 eh? It's illegal to modify the seer. If you're caught with it, plan on spending a long time in prison. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
|
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Yeah, but underneath it's a good boat. His is just a piece of crap. Not that your opinion means much, but why do you feel my boat is a piece of crap? It's a 100 time better that any cal 20 dink that a 12 year old could mow lawns for a week and earn enough money to buy. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: You're full of sh*t. Besides, no one would be interested in your piece of crap boat. Shhhh! That's my strategy. Have a boat that looks so run-down that nobody bothers you! Paint rust streaks down the hull, whatever. PDW |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Don't know. Can you tell us? He was asking the NG's gay boy gaynzy who sails a gay boat in the gay capitol of the world. So tell us gaynz why are you so scared of guns, is it the big bad loud boom sound that hurts your ears? Or the bruise that they leave on your shoulders? You worried your boy friend might thing you had a hissy fit with another boy? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote I used to blow throwhards like him in bars every night. Bwahahahahaha! RB how come gays are so afraid of guns? SV |
Piracy Incident: April 5, 2004
"Jonathan Gaynz" wrote in message ...
I don't think that's the definition of sucking up. If anyone know the definition of sucking something it's you gay boy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... These kind of thieves have plenty of weapons. The best thing to do is put lipstick on and not get too agressive with them. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:00 AM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com