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Does anyone have an idea how I can research renter's rights for Maryland
marinas?

Seahag

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Haggie asked: Does anyone have an idea how I can research renter's rights
for Maryland
marinas?

ohoh...what happened???/

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http://www.sailor.lib.md.us/MD_topics/law/_cod.html


BC


"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have an idea how I can research renter's rights for Maryland
marinas?

Seahag

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"katysails" wrote:
Haggie asked: Does anyone have an idea how I can research renter's rights
for Maryland
marinas?

ohoh...what happened???/

I can't really go into it right now, but we're pretty ****ed off about the
latest in a series of mindless petty irritations...

Seahag

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"Bob Crantz" wrote:

http://www.sailor.lib.md.us/MD_topics/law/_cod.html

Thanks, I'll dig around in there tomorrow.

Seahag

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I can't really go into it right now, but we're pretty ****ed off about the
latest in a series of mindless petty irritations...
Seahag.

If I didn't know better I'd be guessing that you were at White Rocks Marina
on Rock Creek.
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"SAIL LOCO" wrote:
I can't really go into it right now, but we're pretty ****ed off about
the
latest in a series of mindless petty irritations...
Seahag.

If I didn't know better I'd be guessing that you were at White Rocks
Marina
on Rock Creek.

That's the thing, may as well stick with the jerk we know! I'm so close to
having enough money to fix the rig, I sure don't want to blow it on moving
costs. At least until the van is paid off come January!

Seahag

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I know 2 more people who left White Rocks this year. One guy moved his boat
during the winter to an empty safer slip. Didn't think it would matter since
most slips were empty due to boats being pulled. The manager called him and
told him to move it back. He went down the same day and moved it back. A few
days later he got a letter in the mail to get out.
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"SAIL LOCO" wrote:
I know 2 more people who left White Rocks this year. One guy moved his
boat
during the winter to an empty safer slip. Didn't think it would matter
since
most slips were empty due to boats being pulled. The manager called him
and
told him to move it back. He went down the same day and moved it back. A
few
days later he got a letter in the mail to get out.

That's crazy! Seems like some people just love spreading misery. I don't
think the marinas care about their reputations anymore, there are probably
10 boats waiting for every slip around here.

Seahag

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Haggie observed: I don't
think the marinas care about their reputations anymore, there are probably
10 boats waiting for every slip around here.

That was one of the reasons we switched to a mooring and the yacht club
environment. The marina that we had been at for years became "popular" with
a certain sort of boater, and all of a sudden there was a waiting list.
Along with that came a nonchalance about work performed by the yard. When
confronted about mistakes, or poor quality workmanship, they would laugh it
off and refuse to make good. If they didn't feel like performing some type
of work they would quote an exorbitant figure to make you go elsewhere. And
when sailing is supposed to be your "release" from the rest of the daily
crud, who needs problems there?

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When
confronted about mistakes, or poor quality workmanship, they would laugh it
off and refuse to make good. If they didn't feel like performing some type
of work they would quote an exorbitant figure to make you go elsewhere. And
when sailing is supposed to be your "release" from the rest of the daily
crud, who needs problems there?

I hear a lot of stories like that. I'm glad that my yard is run by people who
care and having a slip expands the use and care of the boat. This weekend I'm
taking out some elderly folk. I'm lucky to have a slip.

RB

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That's crazy! Seems like some people just love spreading misery.

The guy that runs White Rocks on a daily basis is a dimwit. His father is the
real owner who also owns Mike's Crab House down your way. It's too bad the old
man doesn't know what goes on at the marina.
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The problem with most marinas is that the owner runs the place as if it were a
club and your lucky to belong. Slip holders are paying customers and they
should remember that. These same people wouldn't put up with the crap that's
dished out at any other business they deal with.
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The problem with most marinas is that the owner runs the place as if it were a
club and your lucky to belong.

Hate to agree with Loco, but he's right. Many Marina's act like you're an
unwanted guest...AFTER they take your money.

RB

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Problems with the Slip Nazi?

Ya wants me & da boys to come down and have a talk with him?

Scotty


"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have an idea how I can research renter's rights for Maryland
marinas?

Seahag

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Problems with the Slip Nazi?

That's what we call him.
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"Joe" wrote


Here we deal with a trailer park owner that lets you
do pretty much what you want.
We have 20 feet of trailer with 3 Very large rubbermaid storage
lockers,
Table with umbrella 4 chairs, 2 lounge chairs, 10 X 20 foot car port
type tent with picnic table, Weber Gas Grill, parking for 4 cars,2
bird baths , palm tree, cactus, paint storage box, shade, 6X10 foot
float. Dingy, in the water, best view of the lake, electricty & water
included, all with my trailer lot.

a couple pick ups on blocks and you'd be in red-neck heaven.

SV

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"katysails" wrote in message ...
Haggie observed: I don't
think the marinas care about their reputations anymore, there are probably
10 boats waiting for every slip around here.

That was one of the reasons we switched to a mooring and the yacht club
environment. The marina that we had been at for years became "popular" with
a certain sort of boater, and all of a sudden there was a waiting list.
Along with that came a nonchalance about work performed by the yard. When
confronted about mistakes, or poor quality workmanship, they would laugh it
off and refuse to make good. If they didn't feel like performing some type
of work they would quote an exorbitant figure to make you go elsewhere. And
when sailing is supposed to be your "release" from the rest of the daily
crud, who needs problems there?

My place is real popular with the Speedboat/Cigarboat freaks. But they
have only 3 uncovered sailboat slips. Most sailboaters will not come
here because of the noise the powerboaters make. But the pbr's hate it
when it to hot, and when its to cold, so I have most of the time the
place to myself. They pay out the nose for thier covered slips. The
marina owner give me a good deal because he want's me to live here and
watch out for things. I'm offical F dock security, I run off all the
fishing guys and lovers that want to use the island. Ive lived at
several marinas and can tell you the only way I will ever get a better
deal is if I buy my marina. I have my eye on 3 acres of deep water
fronted land. But the asking price is 300K. It would make a nice 3-4
boat marina and allow me space to build a house. It has a small cinder
block type storage house on it now. It borders a wildlife refuge of
6000+ acres and I will never have to worry about the surrounding land
being developed. Just need the 300K. Donations accepted!

Joe

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We call ours " Der DockMeister"

On 23 May 2004 16:56:34 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

Problems with the Slip Nazi?

That's what we call him.
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 09:01:05 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Haggie observed: I don't
think the marinas care about their reputations anymore, there are probably
10 boats waiting for every slip around here.

That was one of the reasons we switched to a mooring and the yacht club
environment. The marina that we had been at for years became "popular" with
a certain sort of boater, and all of a sudden there was a waiting list.
Along with that came a nonchalance about work performed by the yard. When
confronted about mistakes, or poor quality workmanship, they would laugh it
off and refuse to make good. If they didn't feel like performing some type
of work they would quote an exorbitant figure to make you go elsewhere. And
when sailing is supposed to be your "release" from the rest of the daily
crud, who needs problems there?

Ever try dry sailing, or rack-and-launch? It's becoming very popular.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote


Here we deal with a trailer park owner that lets you
do pretty much what you want.
We have 20 feet of trailer with 3 Very large rubbermaid storage
lockers,
Table with umbrella 4 chairs, 2 lounge chairs, 10 X 20 foot car port
type tent with picnic table, Weber Gas Grill, parking for 4 cars,2
bird baths , palm tree, cactus, paint storage box, shade, 6X10 foot
float. Dingy, in the water, best view of the lake, electricty & water
included, all with my trailer lot.

a couple pick ups on blocks and you'd be in red-neck heaven.

SV


Well now that you mention it, I do need to put the chevy up on blocks
to find the short in the electical system. Must be the rats that ate
the insulation.


Did i mention the 12 foot swimming pool, and Outdoor stero system?

Joe

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Horvath asked:
Ever try dry sailing, or rack-and-launch? It's becoming very popular.

We trailer sailed for many years...it's a PITA....and dry-racking a 32' foot
sailboat to sail every week? Kind of pricey, don't ya think? And then you
don't have the use of your boat any time you want, like those evenings
during the week when we just want to get out of here and drive out for a
quiet evening on the boat....
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote


Here we deal with a trailer park owner that lets you
do pretty much what you want.
We have 20 feet of trailer with 3 Very large rubbermaid storage
lockers,
Table with umbrella 4 chairs, 2 lounge chairs, 10 X 20 foot car port
type tent with picnic table, Weber Gas Grill, parking for 4 cars,2
bird baths , palm tree, cactus, paint storage box, shade, 6X10 foot
float. Dingy, in the water, best view of the lake, electricty & water
included, all with my trailer lot.

a couple pick ups on blocks and you'd be in red-neck heaven.

SV

Yeah sept my boat is to big to fit on a trailor at a cost that not
Crazy. Its unlike your our boxy seidleman trailor sailor.

Bet you 500 bucks I have a better sunset view at my slip than yours .


Joe

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"Joe" wrote


Did i mention the 12 foot swimming pool, and Outdoor stero system?

Joe

12' deep? What kinda music do you play?

SV

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"Joe" wrote

Yeah sept my boat is to big to fit on a trailor at a cost that not
Crazy. Its unlike your our boxy seidleman trailor sailor.

boxy? trailer sailor?



Bet you 500 bucks I have a better sunset view at my slip than yours .

I dunno, sunset over the smokestacks of Baltimore can be pretty.

Scotty

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Bet you 500 bucks I have a better sunset view at my slip than yours .

You may have a better sunset view but you sail on a lake.
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And then you
don't have the use of your boat any time you want, like those evenings
during the week when we just want to get out of here and drive out for a
quiet evening on the boat....

Every dry sail arrangement I've ever seen allows you one in and out every day
you want.
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"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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On Sun, 23 May 2004 21:59:37 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Horvath asked:
Ever try dry sailing, or rack-and-launch? It's becoming very popular.

We trailer sailed for many years...it's a PITA....and dry-racking a 32' foot
sailboat to sail every week? Kind of pricey, don't ya think? And then you
don't have the use of your boat any time you want, like those evenings
during the week when we just want to get out of here and drive out for a
quiet evening on the boat....

Pricey? it's very cheap, here. We have our own launch. Many people
use it for our evening races.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Horvath asked:
Ever try dry sailing, or rack-and-launch? It's becoming very popular.


katysails wrote:
We trailer sailed for many years...it's a PITA

Not if you pick the right boat. If we weren't looking ahead to
retirement cruising, we'd still be very happy with our trailer sailer.



... And then you
don't have the use of your boat any time you want, like those evenings
during the week when we just want to get out of here and drive out for a
quiet evening on the boat....

Assuming a decent public launch ramp (which may be a thing of the past
as Our Noble Leaders decide to spend every penny we've got, or that our
grandchildren will ever earn, on (sound of trumpets) *_Homeland
Security_*) it's easy to go for an evening sail. Done it many many times
after work.

Of course, you have to pick a boat rather carefully, and make sure that
trailerability, rigging, launching & recovering, are all practical
evolutions instead of afterthoughts.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Just across the lake to get in the bay, across the bay to get into the
gulf, across the gulf to get into the ocean.

Are you saying the lake is connected to the bay?
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote


Did i mention the 12 foot swimming pool, and Outdoor stero system?

Joe

12' deep?

4 foot deep-12 foot wide

What kinda music do you play?

Eric Clapton, Jetro Tull, Pink Floyd, Johnny Cash, Josh White,
Journey, Faith Hill, Charlot Church, Madonna, Stones, buffet, Carley
Simon, phatom of the opera, Hank Williams, Men @ Work, and a couple
hundred others.

joe

SV

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Wow! Loco..... will wonders never cease?

CM

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| Just across the lake to get in the bay, across the bay to get into the
| gulf, across the gulf to get into the ocean.
|
| Are you saying the lake is connected to the bay?
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Wow! Loco..... will wonders never cease?

Amazing huh?

CM

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| Just across the lake to get in the bay, across the bay to get into the
| gulf, across the gulf to get into the ocean.
|
| Are you saying the lake is connected to the bay?

Yes just go to Maps.com and search ElLago Texas, its SE of Houston.
Zoom out on the map. Taylor lake dumps into Clearlake rumored this is
were Jean Lafitte hid his pirated ships among the tall trees.
Clearlake opens to Galveston Bay, Galveston Bay opens into the Gulf of
Mexico and you can figure the rest. Its nice that the water here is
brackish with low salt content until you get into the bay.

Joe



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| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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Wow! Loco..... will wonders never cease?

Hey dipwad, I'm not an expert but I thought a "lake" had to be self contained
and not connected to the ocean. That's why I asked.
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Sail Loco said: Every dry sail arrangement I've ever seen allows you one in
and out every day
you want.

There is no such thing like that in West MI except in Grand Haven, where
they actively dissuade sailors from that marina...but that's ok since they
watch the sewer overflow from the Grand River during floods pass by...I'd
pull my boat everyday too, if I had to contend with that....

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katysails
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Pricey? it's very cheap, here. We have our own launch. Many people
use it for our evening races.

OK, now I know what you're talking about...I thought you meant like they do
in Florida with the boats stacked on each other in big sheds...only the
racers (melges and J-boats and the like) do that here....

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katysails
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Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Doug said:

-- Of course, you have to pick a boat rather carefully, and make sure that
trailerability, rigging, launching & recovering, are all practical
evolutions instead of afterthoughts.

We had a shoal draft O'Day 22....easy to rig, easy to launch, easy to
load....what a pain....all that time re-rigging every time you want to
sail....I was never so glad as when we bought the 27" and got a slip for the
season....I prefer spending my time sailing and enjoying the boat, not
getting it ready or tearing it apart...
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein