Donal asked:
Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?

Cigarette butts kill wildlife...they're nasty...foul....and people who don't
dispose of them in the proper receptacles are cretins...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

katysails wrote:

Donal asked:
Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?

Cigarette butts kill wildlife...they're nasty...foul....and people who don't
dispose of them in the proper receptacles are cretins...

Leave cretins out of it, they can't help their genetics.

Cheers

MC stated: Leave cretins out of it, they can't help their genetics.

You have congenital knowledge of cretins?

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Donal asked:
Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?

Cigarette butts kill wildlife...they're nasty...foul....and people who
don't
dispose of them in the proper receptacles are cretins...

Almost everything that we do has an effect on the environment.

The US is responsible for one quarter of fossil fuel that is burned on this
planet, and you have one thirtieth of the world's population. That means
that you generate seven times more pollution per person than the rest of the
world's inhabitants.

Do you really think that cigarette butts will have the same impact on the
environment as Global Warming?

Your big fridges, car engines, air-conditioning, TV's, etc have a far bigger
effect on the environment than cigarette butts.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.




Regards

Donal
--

Oz,

I tried hard to stay out of this but the spirit is to weak.

Scotty, it's not the labor cost. It's the pollution cost. Aussies drew a
bye on the "Kobi Accord" The cost of modification to the new Eniv. code
is shutting down many plants in this country. Still has time down-under.

OT

You're right, Old Wise One. Plus, it isn't the hourly rate that the worker
gets, but the other costs ( union crapola, OSHA payoffs, insurance, taxes,
licenses etc.) that really add up, so I was told this week.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oz,

I tried hard to stay out of this but the spirit is to weak.

Scotty, it's not the labor cost. It's the pollution cost. Aussies drew a
bye on the "Kobi Accord" The cost of modification to the new Eniv. code
is shutting down many plants in this country. Still has time down-under.

OT

Donal,
You are stereotyping the lifestyle here. I have a smallish
refrigerator...14 cubic ft...we drive cars that get 30 mpg and we buy them
new and drive them until they die...we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days
a summer and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...You don't have a TV? We have a small set in the
living room and then we have the old tv in the family room that we very
seldom use except when the grandkids are here and want to play with the Play
Station...I do my dishes by hand, di not have an insinkerator or a trash
compacter...we recycle all out pop bottles and reuse out plastic milk
cartons until they literally are no longer usable...Think is, most of my
friends live the same way...You can't judge us from tv shows....just like we
shouldn't assume that you are all like Hyacinth Bucket or Benny Hill. And I
live in a brick house, not glass...it's much more energy efficient and you
don't lose all that heat through the glass.....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"katysails" wrote:

we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days
a summer and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...

What are the summer temps where you live? There's no way I would get in my
black vehicle (locked up) at 116 deg in the summer and NOT use the air
conditioning. Maybe I spoiled or something...g

LP (maybe I need hormones?)

LP asked:
What are the summer temps where you live?

80's with humidity in the 70's + range....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

LP asked:
What are the summer temps where you live?

katysails wrote:
80's with humidity in the 70's + range....

That's not summer, that's a mild autumn morning.

Hopefully, the high cost of air conditioning will drive people to move
back up north!

We seem to have skipped spring this year. Went from days in 40s (5
degrees C for you civilized folk) to days in the 90s (35 C) in about a week.

DSK