"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.

I have no faith in anything,

C'mon, Bob! You don't really believe that, do you?



Wally. It's a dangerous term. But then you could
say I have faith in my lack of faith.
You'll note that I'm attacking Donal's belief system, but not Donal.

I know that you are a really nice guy. I truly respect you for that!!

He, on the
other hand, attacks me.

If I had realised that you suffered from a "victim" mentality, then I would
have ignored you completely.

Unfortunately, if I ignored you, then you really would feel like a victim,
wouldn't you?






As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.



That comment is hurtful! Are you religious?



Regards


Donal
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He, on the
other hand, attacks me.

If I had realised that you suffered from a "victim" mentality, then I would
have ignored you completely.

Donal, we can discuss beliefs without taking it to a personal level. I respect
you for two reasons: 1-You sail. 2- You seem to have a sense of humor. There's
really very little else I can tell from what's written here, but in this group
you MUST have those two items to survive.
Ultimately, I believe that the key reason people continue to believe in god is
because they are unable to cope with the idea of dying; of not being. The
control commanded by various religions is totally based on a promised "quality
of afterlife." Meanwhile, our biology and real world efforts are clearly geared
to the reality of a final and complete end.
If that seems sad, consider that many wonderful things (Roses, sunsets, the
life of a beloved dog) all end quickly, making them all the more special. We
need not invent a heaven for them, or ourselves.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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He, on the
other hand, attacks me.

If I had realised that you suffered from a "victim" mentality, then I
would
have ignored you completely.

Donal, we can discuss beliefs without taking it to a personal level. I
respect
you for two reasons: 1-You sail.

Hah!! You do have faith!


2- You seem to have a sense of humor. There's
really very little else I can tell from what's written here, but in this
group
you MUST have those two items to survive.
Ultimately, I believe that the key reason people continue to believe in
god is
because they are unable to cope with the idea of dying; of not being.

I disagree. If you look at my posts, you will see that my views have a
scientific base. I would ask that you consider my original question - and
also my three options regarding the origins of the Universe.



The
control commanded by various religions is totally based on a promised
"quality
of afterlife." Meanwhile, our biology and real world efforts are clearly
geared
to the reality of a final and complete end.
If that seems sad, consider that many wonderful things (Roses, sunsets,
the
life of a beloved dog) all end quickly, making them all the more special.
We
need not invent a heaven for them, or ourselves.

Once again, I invite you to highlight *anything* in my posts that could be
deemed "unscientific".

I don't have blind faith. I've worked it out.

Regards


Donal
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Once again, I invite you to highlight *anything* in my posts that could be
deemed "unscientific".

I don't have blind faith. I've worked it out.

You've used poor math. There's no scientific evidence to suggest god exists or
predates the universe, meaning god had to also be created. No one knows the
answer. God is a fable...and not a very nice one. In fact, there's no reason to
believe that I'm not god. I can prove it quite easily.

RB

As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.



That comment is hurtful!

But it's an honest observation. Religious people do one of the following when
questioned about their faith:
1) They kill
2) They attempt to belittle the independent thinker, attempting to kill the
idea.
3) They shun the person.
4) They try to force their ideas on the person.
I'm not saying you do these things, though your posts indicate that you might.
The true moral highground is not tolerance, it's wholehearted acceptance. Some
of my best friends are religious. We've gently exchanged ideas and philosophy
and moved on. If I'm right about it all, I'll never get to say "told ya so." If
I'm wrong, maybe god will explain why his "creation" is so poorly crafted. If
the Rages of Injustice equal power in heaven, I'll have his job...and one
"hell" of a sailboat.....A Swan 40 with the interior of a Swan 100 perhaps.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.



That comment is hurtful!

But it's an honest observation. Religious people do one of the following
when
questioned about their faith:
1) They kill

Nonsense!

2) They attempt to belittle the independent thinker, attempting to kill
the
idea.

Rubbish!

3) They shun the person.



4) They try to force their ideas on the person.
I'm not saying you do these things, though your posts indicate that you
might.

Tsk. Tsk. (with acknowledgements to Wally)


The true moral highground is not tolerance, it's wholehearted acceptance.

You're absolutely correct!

Some
of my best friends are religious.

Uh oh! That sounds like "Some of my best friends are black"!!!!

We've gently exchanged ideas and philosophy
and moved on. If I'm right about it all, I'll never get to say "told ya
so."

Of course. You're not that kind of guy, are you?


If
I'm wrong, maybe god will explain why his "creation" is so poorly crafted.
If
the Rages of Injustice equal power in heaven, I'll have his job...and one
"hell" of a sailboat.....A Swan 40 with the interior of a Swan 100
perhaps.


Ahhh! You make the mistake of thinking that mankind is important in the
eyes of God. Why would we be?

Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:


Some
of my best friends are religious.


Uh oh! That sounds like "Some of my best friends are black"!!!!


Are you a racist?

Cheers

"Navigator" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:


Some
of my best friends are religious.


Uh oh! That sounds like "Some of my best friends are black"!!!!


Are you a racist?

Probably! I suspect that we all are.... to a certain extent.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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| "Navigator" wrote in message
| Are you a racist?
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| Probably! I suspect that we all are.... to a certain extent.

Belgians are the superior genetically enhanced beings on this planet....
deal with it!

CM