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Unknown???.... that can be held to be "God like" at times......

I'm not preaching a philosophy Wally..... I don't know if there is a
superior being... I know there is a superior force. It envelops me and if I
allow it.... guides me as well. I'm only learning it's boundaries.... is it
"God"?? I don't know..... I do know it protects me if I pay attention and
read it correctly. I believe the tenants are basic..... do no harm, take
only what you require, explore your potential, Life is a gift.... have fun
with it!

Nothing serious.... unless you stray from the path. Then it becomes
exponential in travesty

I walked that line.... it's much easier to follow your natural instincts!

CM

"Wally" wrote in message
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| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Wally..... I know for a fact that everytime you create any art.....
| it's proof that a "God" exists.
|
| I think it all rather depends on what one means by "god". Having suggested
| that the true nature of the universe is unknown, I could say that "god" is
| just another word for "whatever is really going on - the hidden
machinations
| of the universe". Personally, I don't feel a need to call that god - I
| prefer to call the wonder of the universe, the wonder of the universe. To
| me, there are meanings for the word "god" that have a bunch of
connotations
| that I don't particularly agree with, like the all-seeing, all-powerful,
| good guy creator - like some sort of super-human father figure. That stuff
| steps a little too far towards man making god in his own image.
|
|
| You know that as well as I do...... don't dissect.... direct. The
| whole of the entity is within you... not without you.
|
| I have never considered creating art to have anything to do with god. I
will
| say that my best efforts (in music rather than painting) happen when there
| is no thought or plan. There have been times when I've been so involved in
| listening and responding to a piece of music, that I've been completely
| unaware that I was playing it while I was listening. I'm a conduit - the
| tunes I 'write' are already there, and all I'm doing is making them
| tangible. As for where or what 'there' is, I prefer 'unknown' to 'god'.
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.forthsailing.com
| www.wally.myby.co.uk
|
|

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"Wally" wrote in message

| No, I make a piece of art. The idea that creation of art is an argument
for
| the existence of god assumes that god has something to do with the
creation
| of art in the first place - it doesn't argue for his existence, it
| presupposes it. I'm sorry, but I just don't think like that. I prefer to
| understand it in terms of what's *given* - I engage in the creative
process,
| and something 'artistic' results.

Wally... you are being defensive... I did not say that any of your creative
processes were god like...... although that may be assumed by an arrogant
twist of reason..... only that the fact you can create anything lends
credence to a guiding force.

|
|
| ...
| You cannot in good conscience experience all that I have and state
| that there is no higher guiding spiritual force at work!!! ...
|
| With respect, you have no idea what I've experienced other than what I've
| divulged here (and elsewhere online).

Wally...... you have divulged far more than you expected simply by posting
here....

I think the world/universe is a
| wonderful, fabulous thing, but I prefer to not postulate an entity or
force
| that is 'guiding' or 'spiritual to account for it, or my experience of it.
| Too worldly.

Yes.... it's a scary place isn't it! ;-)

Amazingly though..... I hold no fear of it...... only awe!

As an artist.... don't you feel compelled to explore the boundaries???......
and do you allow your current viewpoint to tarnish or subduct that ability
to engage in that exploration?

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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| Wally..... you make an argument for the existence of a God every time
| you create art.
|
| Creativity is how god came to be...out of the mind and imagination...and
fears
| of man.

Which God? What Man?

CM

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

No, I make a piece of art. The idea that creation of art is an
argument for the existence of god assumes that god has something to
do with the creation of art in the first place - it doesn't argue
for his existence, it presupposes it. I'm sorry, but I just don't
think like that. I prefer to understand it in terms of what's
*given* - I engage in the creative process, and something 'artistic'
results.

Wally... you are being defensive...

How am I?

I did not say that any of your
creative processes were god like......

I didn't say you did. I said that your argument is flawed because it
presupposes something whose existence it supposedly substantiates - it begs
the question.

only that the fact you can
create anything lends credence to a guiding force.

I disagree. I'm pragmatic about creating art. It happens. I don't feel a
need to invent something to explain how it happens - because I don't feel a
need to explain how it happens. Call it a talent, something I have a knack
for. I do it because I enjoy the doing of it and because I like what I
create.

With respect, you have no idea what I've experienced other than what
I've divulged here (and elsewhere online).

Wally...... you have divulged far more than you expected simply by
posting here....

Such as?

I think the world/universe is a
wonderful, fabulous thing, but I prefer to not postulate an entity
or force that is 'guiding' or 'spiritual to account for it, or my
experience of it. Too worldly.

Yes.... it's a scary place isn't it! ;-) ...

Not really.

As an artist.... don't you feel compelled to explore the
boundaries???...... and do you allow your current viewpoint to
tarnish or subduct that ability to engage in that exploration?

What boundaries?

--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

I try not to be arrogant unless I'm also right.

That's simply defeatist.... be arrogant when you are wrong..... make
the buggers work for their victory! ;-D

Your strategic advice is duly noted. ;-)

starts reading through Neal's old posts...

--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

.......that's what I like about you Wally.... your capacity to
comprehend the basic tenants of life!
Enjoy it man.... don't waste even a second on regret..... !!!!!!
;-)

Damn tootin' right! I'm off sailing soon - couple of hours cruising,
followed by a round-the-cans no-spinnaker race at the club. We're not
contesting the series, but maybe we can be a joker in the pack for those
that are... ;-)

Enjoy yours, too!

--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
....
I didn't say you did. I said that your argument is flawed because it
presupposes something whose existence it supposedly substantiates - it begs
the question.

I like to see someone use that expression in its original meaning.

only that the fact you can
create anything lends credence to a guiding force.

I disagree. I'm pragmatic about creating art. It happens. I don't feel a
need to invent something to explain how it happens - because I don't feel a
need to explain how it happens. Call it a talent, something I have a knack
for. I do it because I enjoy the doing of it and because I like what I
create.

Actually, I think the real "gift" is the ability to appreciate beauty. Given
that as a basic human trait, it only follows that some would be better then
others at creating it. However, that still falls far short as a scientific
proof.

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| Pretty basic and the 1st thing I learned when studying the subject.

You didn't learn anything......

I notice that you don't make any points, only state that mine are wrong. I also
notice that you don't seem to know what the study of "plate movement" is
called. I'm sure you'll now look it up.
A bit to late. Me think you're exposed...and quite easily. A poor job, Mooron.
You get a C, but that's mostly pity.

RB

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