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Boobsie,

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a
beginning.

Nope. Got a video of it?


RB

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It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause.

No, not unreasonable...just very difficult.

RB

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The universe therefore requires a cause.

Correct?

Then so does your "god." Saying he exists outside of time is just something you
made up. Pretty silly, Josie!

RB

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Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole
universe, he is the creator of time.

I read that he created the heaven and earth, but not time. Then again, I
remember Dune much better than the Bible. Better book.

RB

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Donal wrote:

You "imagined" an unfortunate 12y/o girl in your attempt to prove
that God sidn't exist.

There is no onus on him to prove that god doesn't exist. In fact, he's
already declared that he's agnostic - why would he seek to substantiate a
proposition that he hasn't asserted? The claim that stands to be proven is
that goes does exist, and the onus is on the believers to prove their claim.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Many creationists believe (or have faith) that the earth is no more that 6
thousand years old.

Holy fenders on deck, Batman! That's just crazy!

RB

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Does it have to be a divine cause?


Believe me, Bill. The primary reason for a belief in god is the simple fear of
death. Religion promises heaven and eternal existance. Roughly what was
promised to the terrorists on the 9/11 planes.

RB

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MC stated:
Nice fence you've got there Kook!

It's not a fence...it's not something that you have to take a side about
since both sides can be explained if you use reason and understand the use
of allegory as a teaching instrument....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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BB stated:
Many creationists believe (or have faith) that the earth is no more that 6
thousand years old.

Well, they don't belief in flush toilets, either....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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MC insisted: Don't be modest, that's my province!

Heaven help we should have two modest men posting here! There won't be room
enough on the floor with all that lying about...

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein