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EdGordonRN wrote:
We sailed, I believe a total of six miles, according to the road map I use as a chart. Try to keep the trolling within the bounds of some semblence of credibility. 3 miles was beating against approximately 11 mile an hour winds, and of course 3 miles on a run on the way back. If the wind didn't change direction, wouldn't your return trip have been a broad reach? And we both refuse to use terms like "jibe-ho" or "helms-a-lee." So what do you say? "Turning left!"? "Turning right!"? "Pointing the sharp end the way we came!"? When you harden up, do you call, "pulling the rope on the swingy stick-thing!"? -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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EdGordonRN wrote:
What does thinking in nautical miles have to do with getting burned out or frustrated? Nothing. Then why mention it? Or were you digressing towards your justification of how you sail and your approach to same? You do know where nautical miles comes from, don't you? -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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If the wind didn't change direction, wouldn't your return trip have been a
broad reach? Yeah, sometimes it was a broad reach. But technically, if we went beat to the south against southern winds, when we came about 180 degrees, it would be a run. Unless there's something I'm missing here. When you harden up, do you call, "pulling the rope on the swingy stick-thing!"? I've never heard the term "harden up" so I have no ideal what you are talking about. Obviously, it isn't a really necessary term. But I'm sure to people who want others to think they sail alot, it's important to throw around. |
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Then why mention it? Or were you digressing towards your justification of
how you sail and your approach to same? You do know where nautical miles comes from, don't you? No, I don't. I could easily hit search and discover where it came from, but I think I'd rather you schooled me on it. Better yet, I think I'll go to your web site. I'm sure it's there. |
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Wally asked: So what do you say?
I would imagine "gee" and "haw".... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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EdGordonRN wrote: If the wind didn't change direction, wouldn't your return trip have been a broad reach? Yeah, sometimes it was a broad reach. But technically, if we went beat to the south against southern winds, when we came about 180 degrees, it would be a run. Unless there's something I'm missing here. Yes there is -it's called the apparent wind. Cheers |
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3 miles was beating against
approximately 11 mile an hour winds, and of course 3 miles on a run on the way back. If the wind didn't change direction, wouldn't your return trip have been a broad reach? No Wally. You don't know the position of his mooring relative to the wind nor at which point he started to sail close hauled. RB |
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And we both refuse to use terms like "jibe-ho" or "helms-a-lee."
So what do you say? "Turning left!"? "Turning right!"? "Pointing the sharp end the way we came!"? So long as they both know what the other is doing, they can yell whatever they want and it will work fine. A few of my girls only know Spanish sailing terms and it works fine once I know what's what. Really Wally. Do better. RB |
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We flake the sail,
and wash the boat the next day. We don't get burned out and we don't get frustrated. And we don't pretend to be sailors. We are sailors. Bottom line. Edgar's winning this one, folks. He's sailing and enjoying himself. He and his wife have a system that works and he could care less about any traditional elements because he's having fun and learning in the process. RB |
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EdGordonRN wrote:
.... But technically, if we went beat to the south against southern winds, when we came about 180 degrees, it would be a run. Unless there's something I'm missing here. I think you are missing something. If you are beating against a southerly wind, then you're heading either SE or SW. If you then turn 180, you'll be on a broad reach heading either NE or NW. When you harden up, do you call, "pulling the rope on the swingy stick-thing!"? I've never heard the term "harden up" so I have no ideal what you are talking about. Obviously, you still have a few things to learn. ... Obviously, it isn't a really necessary term. Not for someone who is still unsure of basic points of sail, no. ... But I'm sure to people who want others to think they sail alot, it's important to throw around. It is a big help in letting the crew know what to do, as well. I understand, and to some extent, agree with, the reaction against overly salty lingo. But the plain fact is that there are a lot of things on boats that have no counterpart in everyday life. If you want to talk about them, then you need to know the right word(s). Would you want to go to court being represented by a lawyer who said things like "Yo, old dude in the bathrobe, put down that hammer thingy and lighten up"? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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What does thinking in nautical miles have to do with getting burned out or
frustrated? Nothing. He was making an additional comment, Wally. RB |
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The bottom line is: we sail. We don't need "sailorly" things unless
they aid what we do. Good for you! You're not a fraud. Do what works for you and sail safe. THAT'S sailing! RB |
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Or were you digressing towards your justification of
how you sail and your approach to same? He is sailing, Wally. Meanwhile, we've yet to see your boat with a spin after you suggested that flying one in very light air was a snap! RB |
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I think you are missing something. If you are beating against a
southerly wind, then you're heading either SE or SW. If you then turn 180, you'll be on a broad reach heading either NE or NW. He never said he turned 180 degrees doug, nor did he indicate his course relative to his destination or return point. You're wrong because you lack data are are just being an ass troll. RB |
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EdGordonRN wrote:
Ed, perhaps you should have taken a lesson or two, look up asymmetric spinnakers and see what you can find about sailing with one, definitely not for running! Why take a lesson when I already know how to sail, and I sail all the time? Why take a lesson when I can read what I want to know in a book? As for spinnakers, we were running today and talked about it, and there's no real reason for it on our boat. Too much hassle and modification necessary. And for any other point of sail, the last thing we need is more sail area. Consider that the boat we sail is not a racing dinghy. It's well designed, very strong and fast, but it's not a racer. Whatever floats yer boat Ed! Cheers Marty |
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Bobsprit wrote:
If the wind didn't change direction, wouldn't your return trip have been a broad reach? No Wally. You don't know the position of his mooring relative to the wind nor at which point he started to sail close hauled. Read it again... ----------- We sailed, I believe a total of six miles, according to the road map I use as a chart. 3 miles was beating against approximately 11 mile an hour winds, and of course 3 miles on a run on the way back. ----------- 6 miles total, 3 miles out, 3 miles in. He was beating for the first 3. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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6 miles total, 3 miles out, 3 miles in. He was beating for the first 3.
Wally, he still left his mooring, trimmed and finally chose his course. By then his angle of departure was different. RB |
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Really Wally. Do better.
I was being facetious. Why? Ed is clearly having fun with his boat. Does this bother you? Why not be supportive? RB |
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Bobsprit wrote:
So long as they both know what the other is doing, they can yell whatever they want and it will work fine. A few of my girls only know Spanish sailing terms and it works fine once I know what's what. They're *your* girls now? Really Wally. Do better. I was being facetious. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Bobsprit wrote:
Meanwhile, we've yet to see your boat with a spin after you suggested that flying one in very light air was a snap! Lame, Bob. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Bobsprit wrote:
6 miles total, 3 miles out, 3 miles in. He was beating for the first 3. Wally, he still left his mooring, trimmed and finally chose his course. By then his angle of departure was different. How far did he travel from his mooring before he trimmed for the beat? -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Bobsprit wrote:
Why? Ed is clearly having fun with his boat. Does this bother you? Why not be supportive? I wonder if his road map shows depth contours. I wonder what he'd do if the wind dropped to below 9mph. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Why? Ed is clearly having fun with his boat. Does this bother you?
Why not be supportive? I wonder if his road map shows depth contours. You think he'll have problems with grounding that little boat...or getting it free? I rarely looked at a chart when sailing the CD Typhoon either. RB |
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I wonder what he'd do if the wind dropped to below 9mph.
Why is this an issue? RB |
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How far did he travel from his mooring before he trimmed for the beat?
We don't know, nor do we know the amount of weather helm he experienced, nor do we know how many times he was hit by a gust and fell off for a moment. Kinda changes things. RB |
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Meanwhile, we've yet to see your boat with a
spin after you suggested that flying one in very light air was a snap! Lame, Bob. So you have NO pic of your boat under spin? Why not just admit it? You're looking more and more foolish. RB |
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Bobsprit wrote:
I wonder what he'd do if the wind dropped to below 9mph. Why is this an issue? Read the OP. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Bobsprit wrote:
So you have NO pic of your boat under spin? Why not just admit it? You're looking more and more foolish. I never claimed I did have - anything else is your fantasy and the more you try and dig for this, the more foolish you make yourself look. I've already stated that my boat is on the hard, and that I'm crewing on someone else's. If I have the camera with me next time we have the spnnaker up in light air, I'll take a snap. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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I've already
stated that my boat is on the hard, What??!!!!! Bwahahahaha! Like Scotty Potti??? Oh my! RB |
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If I have the camera with me next time we have the spnnaker up in light air,
I'll take a snap. Yeah. Sure you will. Whatever. Just as I thought. Should I bother to ask if you got your nav lights installed? RB |
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6 miles total - (3 out + 3 in) = 0
Since he's using a road map, instead of a chart, we can safely call the distance an aprox. rather than an absolute. RB |
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Bobsprit wrote:
How far did he travel from his mooring before he trimmed for the beat? We don't know, nor do we know the amount of weather helm he experienced, nor do we know how many times he was hit by a gust and fell off for a moment. Kinda changes things. 6 miles total - (3 out + 3 in) = 0 How much weather helm is he likely to get when beating in an 11mph wind? -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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How much weather helm is he likely to get when beating in an 11mph wind?
I said "gusts" could also force him to fall off and it can easily happen when he's not focusing or just messing with the course. Wally, you're just wrong to suggest that you can define his course from data given. RB |
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Edgar's winning this one, folks. He's sailing and enjoying himself. He and
his wife have a system that works and he could care less about any traditional elements because he's having fun and learning in the process. Thanks, Bob. But there is one thing that makes us really traditional: we have no motor. It limits the harbors and marinas we can use, but we never want to put a motor on our boat. |
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Wally wrote:
So, if the wind drops below 9mph, you'll be paddling? Becalmed? Eaten by seagulls? I think he's counting on being swept up in the Rapture. DSK |
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Bobsprit wrote:
I've already stated that my boat is on the hard, What??!!!!! Bwahahahaha! Like Scotty Potti??? Oh my! Are you suffering from memory failure? I said this ages ago. I'm crewing on the Sonata to get on the water and learn with an experienced skipper. Been sailing twice a week since March. No race last Sunday, so we went for a cruise; racing this evening and this Sat/Sun. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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I think you are missing something. If you are beating against a
southerly wind, then you're heading either SE or SW. If you then turn 180, you'll be on a broad reach heading either NE or NW. True. But the plain fact is that there are a lot of things on boats that have no counterpart in everyday life. If you want to talk about them, then you need to know the right word(s). If my wife turned to me in the boat and said "harden up" I'm afraid my only reply would have to be: "Right here? Right now?" So, why don't you tell me what it means? I have a feeling it has something to do with sheeting in the main or jib to keep them from luffing, but I honestly don't know, and as you can see, it means so much to me. |
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EdGordonRN wrote:
Thanks, Bob. But there is one thing that makes us really traditional: we have no motor. It limits the harbors and marinas we can use, but we never want to put a motor on our boat. So, if the wind drops below 9mph, you'll be paddling? Becalmed? Eaten by seagulls? -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Good for you! You're not a fraud. Do what works for you and sail safe. THAT'S
sailing! RB So, Bob, what kind of boat do you sail? |
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Bobsprit wrote:
How much weather helm is he likely to get when beating in an 11mph wind? I said "gusts" could also force him to fall off and it can easily happen when he's not focusing or just messing with the course. Wally, you're just wrong to suggest that you can define his course from data given. He seemed to think it was okay - 6 miles total, a 3 mile beat outward, and "of course" a 3 mile run home. He's clearly done 6-3=3. He didn't say it was gusty, he didn't say he faffed about at the start before getting trimmed. Why are you adding in factors that he hasn't mentioned? How much weather helm would he have got if he was on a beat for 3 miles and then got home on a 3 mile run? -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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