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N1EE April 24th 04 03:25 AM

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Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!

My report: Hull Fairing and Painting Project

The last few weeks I've been fairing the hull of my
big boat with a goal of getting it in the water by May
30th. I've just about completed the bottom of the hull,
and plan one more layup of fairing material on the hull.
So far I must have over 24 hours of sanding, and my
brother has another 16 hours logged.

Time to move the poppets and fair the areas under them.
I've been fairing the thru-hulls to take them from nipple
size down to the opening diameter.

Here's what I've learned about fairing a hull.

1. Make small batches of fairing material and apply each
batch carefully. Excess has to be sanded off. Mix your
own and use lots of filler to make it easier to sand.
Several thin layers are easier to work than a single
thick layer. I used West 410 filler and found it mixed
well, and was not too hard to sand. 407 filler was harder
to mix but sanded much easier.

2. Fair every inch of the hull--don't be lazy. I used
a 6" knife to spread it. I cleaned it with solvent when
applying more than one batch. When leaving overnight,
It was faster just to break the plastic off the knife
the following day.

3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.

4. Use a vacuum cleaner with the sander and get plenty of
bags.

5. Stay upwind of the sander, and pick a cool, windy cool
day and get the job done quickly If you stay upwind of
the grit on a windy day, you won't need a repirator.

6. Repeat the fairing and sanding a few times and it will
look good.

7. Use a respirator when you are underneath the sander.
Always use eye protection.

8. Take asprin or other pain killers before you start
working--trust me on that one. You'll get more done.

9. Drink at least two beers after every hard day and go
to bed early, so you can start in again early the next
day.

Future work: The keel needs a little more sanding and
fairing, as does the rudder. I've discovered my rudder
is actually slightly concave. It was repaired at some
point. My feeling is I need to fill the hollow spot six
inches in from the trailing edge to make it flat or
slightly convex. I'm worried that as it is--slightly
concave, it'll make the rudder prone to stalling.

Next comes barrier coat and bottom paint. I'm going with
copper-poxy, which needs lots more sanding, but lasts
years longer and can be sanded in the water. It also
serves as a barrier coat, which might save some work.

The shrink wrapp comes off soon. It is starting to get
in the way. So far we have had very little rain, most
of that has passed to the north and missed the boat. My
wooden platform is also getting in the way. Time to bite
the bullet, buy a longer ladder, and improve work access
to the topsides.

After May 1st, I'm going to borrow a mast dolly, sand
and paint the mast, replacing some shives, and work on
the masthead. I want to stick a couple of extra Ham
antennas up there and haven't figured out how to do that
yet.

Bart Senior

Wally April 24th 04 04:01 AM

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N1EE wrote:
Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!


Not so much 'improve' as 'restore'...

I've nearly finished refinishing the rudder (a little paint to do and a
retainer clip to fit), and have finished making the tiller. (Pics sometime
soonish.) Per another thread, I'm looking into new windows (ho ho), and I've
started pulling my Seagull outboard apart to see what needs replacing. Good
to see it has gearbox oil (pity about the propshaft and the tube it sits
in).

For a bonus point, I'm helping my skipper with his masthead light tomorrow -
it came loose during the last race.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music



Scott Vernon April 24th 04 04:25 AM

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Install new, bigger holding tank.
Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.
New ign. switch for the Yanmar.
replaced water pump impellor.
Oiled and re-routed the engine shut-off cable.
New packing in stuffing box.
Touched up bottom paint.
Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

"N1EE" wrote in message
m...
Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!

My report: Hull Fairing and Painting Project

The last few weeks I've been fairing the hull of my
big boat with a goal of getting it in the water by May
30th. I've just about completed the bottom of the hull,
and plan one more layup of fairing material on the hull.
So far I must have over 24 hours of sanding, and my
brother has another 16 hours logged.

Time to move the poppets and fair the areas under them.
I've been fairing the thru-hulls to take them from nipple
size down to the opening diameter.

Here's what I've learned about fairing a hull.

1. Make small batches of fairing material and apply each
batch carefully. Excess has to be sanded off. Mix your
own and use lots of filler to make it easier to sand.
Several thin layers are easier to work than a single
thick layer. I used West 410 filler and found it mixed
well, and was not too hard to sand. 407 filler was harder
to mix but sanded much easier.

2. Fair every inch of the hull--don't be lazy. I used
a 6" knife to spread it. I cleaned it with solvent when
applying more than one batch. When leaving overnight,
It was faster just to break the plastic off the knife
the following day.

3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.

4. Use a vacuum cleaner with the sander and get plenty of
bags.

5. Stay upwind of the sander, and pick a cool, windy cool
day and get the job done quickly If you stay upwind of
the grit on a windy day, you won't need a repirator.

6. Repeat the fairing and sanding a few times and it will
look good.

7. Use a respirator when you are underneath the sander.
Always use eye protection.

8. Take asprin or other pain killers before you start
working--trust me on that one. You'll get more done.

9. Drink at least two beers after every hard day and go
to bed early, so you can start in again early the next
day.

Future work: The keel needs a little more sanding and
fairing, as does the rudder. I've discovered my rudder
is actually slightly concave. It was repaired at some
point. My feeling is I need to fill the hollow spot six
inches in from the trailing edge to make it flat or
slightly convex. I'm worried that as it is--slightly
concave, it'll make the rudder prone to stalling.

Next comes barrier coat and bottom paint. I'm going with
copper-poxy, which needs lots more sanding, but lasts
years longer and can be sanded in the water. It also
serves as a barrier coat, which might save some work.

The shrink wrapp comes off soon. It is starting to get
in the way. So far we have had very little rain, most
of that has passed to the north and missed the boat. My
wooden platform is also getting in the way. Time to bite
the bullet, buy a longer ladder, and improve work access
to the topsides.

After May 1st, I'm going to borrow a mast dolly, sand
and paint the mast, replacing some shives, and work on
the masthead. I want to stick a couple of extra Ham
antennas up there and haven't figured out how to do that
yet.

Bart Senior



Capt. Mooron April 24th 04 05:12 AM

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.

Did you use your Industrial Grade Grinder to polish it??

Maybe you can find one on Ebay. ;-D

CM



Jonathan Ganz April 24th 04 05:41 AM

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Nothing that much. Had a diver clean off the bottom. Also,
just got a mailsail cover made. The guy who sewed it for
me, didn't get the length right, but he's redoing it. Should
be ready in a day or two.

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/mainsail1.jpg

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE)
scribbled thusly:



3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.


Beg to differ, but the BEST sander to use is the Powerboard
http://www.atlcomposites.com/product...powerboard.htm

You'll be astounded at just how fast you get the job done


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Jeff Morris April 24th 04 12:18 PM

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This year I'm paying some extra attention to my 2 Yanmar 2GM20FC's, and
saildrives.

Propellers pulled, new zincs installed, props back on with about half the
hardware replaced.
Replace lower gear oil.
Pull exhaust elbows, chip out carbon, clean with Dremel.
Drain antifreeze.
Pull out heat exchanger coils - I found a large clump of eel grass blocking
about half the passages in one of them - now I know why that engine would
overheat when run too fast. Clean and re-installed.
Change water pump impellors.
Change fuel filters
Replace fan belt on fridge.
Replace water pump on fridge.

Still to do:
finish putting stuff back together, replace antifreeze
buff topsides
bottom paint (I have two 36 foot hulls to do!)
paint saildrives
start engines
replace plastic (strataglas) on one hardtop window
powerwash deck
launch
bend on sails
have a beer, think about installing proper raw water strainers.




Marc April 24th 04 01:02 PM

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Jeff: tip for the futu needing to pull the heat exchanger cores is
very rare. Just drop the end caps and use a 22 cal. bore brush.



On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:18:31 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

This year I'm paying some extra attention to my 2 Yanmar 2GM20FC's, and
saildrives.

Propellers pulled, new zincs installed, props back on with about half the
hardware replaced.
Replace lower gear oil.
Pull exhaust elbows, chip out carbon, clean with Dremel.
Drain antifreeze.
Pull out heat exchanger coils - I found a large clump of eel grass blocking
about half the passages in one of them - now I know why that engine would
overheat when run too fast. Clean and re-installed.
Change water pump impellors.
Change fuel filters
Replace fan belt on fridge.
Replace water pump on fridge.

Still to do:
finish putting stuff back together, replace antifreeze
buff topsides
bottom paint (I have two 36 foot hulls to do!)
paint saildrives
start engines
replace plastic (strataglas) on one hardtop window
powerwash deck
launch
bend on sails
have a beer, think about installing proper raw water strainers.




Jeff Morris April 24th 04 01:33 PM

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"Marc" wrote in message
...
Jeff: tip for the futu needing to pull the heat exchanger cores is
very rare. Just drop the end caps and use a 22 cal. bore brush.


Yes, I can appreciate that, and that's what I did on my last engine (a
Westerbeke). However, to really clean it you need to pull both end caps, and
on the Yanmar, the core just slides out after that. Actually, from my point of
view, the real hassle is draining the fluids - once that's done you might as
well do the complete job.

Also, it did seem like removing one end cap might compromise the seal at the
other end. And I was happy to get a good look at them, since they are
vulnerable to freezing and I spent half the winter wondering if I had done
enough to protect the engine from the deep freeze we just went through. I had
to fix two broken pipes in the basement this winter, so I've been a bit
apprehensive!

-jeff




Horvath April 24th 04 02:46 PM

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On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE) wrote
this crap:

Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!


No. Please don't beat me!

I had my crew put on a folding prop. I had my crew secretly modify
the keel.

My report: Hull Fairing and Painting Project

The last few weeks I've been fairing the hull of my
big boat with a goal of getting it in the water by May
30th.



You must be kidding! By Memorial Day, I will have won several series
of races.


I've just about completed the bottom of the hull,
and plan one more layup of fairing material on the hull.
So far I must have over 24 hours of sanding, and my
brother has another 16 hours logged.



Boring! You call that improvements? I call it maintenance.

[all other boring crap deleted]


I want to hear about improvements, not about how you changed your oil.





My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

Horvath April 24th 04 02:48 PM

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:25:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Install new, bigger holding tank.


Now there's a load of crap.

Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.


Those *******s!

New ign. switch for the Yanmar.
replaced water pump impellor.
Oiled and re-routed the engine shut-off cable.
New packing in stuffing box.
Touched up bottom paint.
Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.


Maintenance. Boring.




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

Scott Vernon April 24th 04 03:29 PM

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Nah, the B&D sander/polisher. I just sold some 'junk' on ebay for $320.

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.

Did you use your Industrial Grade Grinder to polish it??

Maybe you can find one on Ebay. ;-D

CM




Scott Vernon April 24th 04 03:31 PM

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Jon, what did the cover cost? You can email me if you want.

Scotty

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nothing that much. Had a diver clean off the bottom. Also,
just got a mailsail cover made. The guy who sewed it for
me, didn't get the length right, but he's redoing it. Should
be ready in a day or two.

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/mainsail1.jpg

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message

...
On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE)
scribbled thusly:



3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.


Beg to differ, but the BEST sander to use is the Powerboard
http://www.atlcomposites.com/product...powerboard.htm

You'll be astounded at just how fast you get the job done


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Scott Vernon April 24th 04 03:38 PM

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"Horvath" wrote

Install new, bigger holding tank.


Now there's a load of crap.



No, really, I did....honest.



Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.


Those *******s!



Yeah, I'm sure it was a power boat.


New ign. switch for the Yanmar.

Maintenance. Boring.



new switch is not maintenance. It's a three pole switch off a motorcycle.
I wired it so I can start the engine ( or check the fuel gauge) without
that damn buzzer going off.

Scotty


Jonathan Ganz April 24th 04 03:42 PM

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Horass, stupid.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:25:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Install new, bigger holding tank.


Now there's a load of crap.

Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.


Those *******s!

New ign. switch for the Yanmar.
replaced water pump impellor.
Oiled and re-routed the engine shut-off cable.
New packing in stuffing box.
Touched up bottom paint.
Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.


Maintenance. Boring.




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."




Jonathan Ganz April 24th 04 03:42 PM

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The material was $40 on ebay. He charged me $100 for the labor.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Jon, what did the cover cost? You can email me if you want.

Scotty

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nothing that much. Had a diver clean off the bottom. Also,
just got a mailsail cover made. The guy who sewed it for
me, didn't get the length right, but he's redoing it. Should
be ready in a day or two.

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/mainsail1.jpg

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message

...
On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE)
scribbled thusly:



3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.

Beg to differ, but the BEST sander to use is the Powerboard
http://www.atlcomposites.com/product...powerboard.htm

You'll be astounded at just how fast you get the job done


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.







Jonathan Ganz April 24th 04 03:44 PM

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But you clearly like to be beaten. That's why you keep coming back
here. Won some more fags, I mean flags? Wow. Ok. Too much info
for most of us I'm sure.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE) wrote
this crap:

Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!


No. Please don't beat me!

I had my crew put on a folding prop. I had my crew secretly modify
the keel.

My report: Hull Fairing and Painting Project

The last few weeks I've been fairing the hull of my
big boat with a goal of getting it in the water by May
30th.



You must be kidding! By Memorial Day, I will have won several series
of races.


I've just about completed the bottom of the hull,
and plan one more layup of fairing material on the hull.
So far I must have over 24 hours of sanding, and my
brother has another 16 hours logged.



Boring! You call that improvements? I call it maintenance.

[all other boring crap deleted]


I want to hear about improvements, not about how you changed your oil.





My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."




Scott Vernon April 24th 04 03:46 PM

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OK, thanks. I'm thinking about doing canvas work when I retire.

SV


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
The material was $40 on ebay. He charged me $100 for the labor.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Jon, what did the cover cost? You can email me if you want.

Scotty

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nothing that much. Had a diver clean off the bottom. Also,
just got a mailsail cover made. The guy who sewed it for
me, didn't get the length right, but he's redoing it. Should
be ready in a day or two.

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/mainsail1.jpg

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message

...
On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE)
scribbled thusly:



3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.

Beg to differ, but the BEST sander to use is the Powerboard
http://www.atlcomposites.com/product...powerboard.htm

You'll be astounded at just how fast you get the job done


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.







Capt. Mooron April 24th 04 04:24 PM

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I take it then that you totally ignored Bob's adamant advise that an
Industrial Grade Grinder with a polishing pad is the ultimate tool for a
mirror like finish on your hull????

Well... off I go to buy a set of motorized router bits. I think I'll take my
Mountain Bike and make sure I drive back and forth in front of the store's
driveway just to be sure I'm at the right place. ;-)

Of course I'll tell everyone I went to the other side of town and not the
local outlet.

I'll also mentioned I raced & passed a Vette along the way......

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Nah, the B&D sander/polisher. I just sold some 'junk' on ebay for $320.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
|
| | Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.
|
| Did you use your Industrial Grade Grinder to polish it??
|
| Maybe you can find one on Ebay. ;-D
|
| CM
|
|
|



Scott Vernon April 24th 04 04:34 PM

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
I take it then that you totally ignored Bob


I try to.


Pony Express April 25th 04 12:16 AM

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Motorized router bits? You guys have some weird
stuff up there in Canada.
S

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in
message
...
: I take it then that you totally ignored Bob's
adamant advise that an
: Industrial Grade Grinder with a polishing pad is
the ultimate tool for a
: mirror like finish on your hull????
:
: Well... off I go to buy a set of motorized
router bits. I think I'll take my
: Mountain Bike and make sure I drive back and
forth in front of the store's
: driveway just to be sure I'm at the right place.
;-)
:
: Of course I'll tell everyone I went to the other
side of town and not the
: local outlet.
:
: I'll also mentioned I raced & passed a Vette
along the way......
:
: CM
:
:
: "Scott Vernon" wrote in
message
:
...
: | Nah, the B&D sander/polisher. I just sold
some 'junk' on ebay for $320.
: |
: | Scotty
: |
: |
: | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in
message
: | ...
: |
: | "Scott Vernon" wrote in
message
: |
: | | Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do
it over again.
: |
: | Did you use your Industrial Grade Grinder to
polish it??
: |
: | Maybe you can find one on Ebay. ;-D
: |
: | CM
: |
: |
: |
:
:


Capt. Mooron April 25th 04 12:16 AM

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"N1EE" wrote in message
m...
| Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

You'll all have to wait until I do an assessment.

Right now it comes down to antifoul, annual wood work and the first season's
coat of wax..
I might be getting a brand new ...[ free ]... alternator from a friend.

CM



Capt. Mooron April 25th 04 12:21 AM

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"Pony Express" wrote in message
k.net...
| Motorized router bits? You guys have some weird
| stuff up there in Canada.

Think back Pony.... way back..... when Bob was the self appointed "Tim the
Tool Man" on ASA... remember the tool talk and boasting.... he was
claiming he had motorized router bits...... ???

Man that was so funny.... it was better than when I went after him about the
sailing trip....

How could you guys forget so soon????

Is Bob RIGHT??? ..... are you all suffering collective Pavlov's syndrome?

CM



N1EE April 25th 04 12:59 AM

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Good for you. For full credit I'd like to see
the pictures.

I discuss the hollowness of my rudder with a
friend. He suggested that I add some foam to
build it out. I think a layer or two of roving
and some fairing will be easier.

Funny you should mention Seagull outboards. I
have an old Seagull 4 HP outboard that came with my
Etchells. It seems seized up. At some point I
need to try and get it working. Let us know what
you learn working on yours.

Bart

"Wally" wrote

N1EE wrote:
Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)


Not so much 'improve' as 'restore'...

I've nearly finished refinishing the rudder (a little paint to do and a
retainer clip to fit), and have finished making the tiller. (Pics sometime
soonish.) Per another thread, I'm looking into new windows (ho ho), and I've
started pulling my Seagull outboard apart to see what needs replacing. Good
to see it has gearbox oil (pity about the propshaft and the tube it sits
in).

For a bonus point, I'm helping my skipper with his masthead light tomorrow -
it came loose during the last race.


N1EE April 25th 04 01:02 AM

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What size Yanmar do you have?


"Scott Vernon" wrote

Install new, bigger holding tank.
Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.
New ign. switch for the Yanmar.
replaced water pump impellor.
Oiled and re-routed the engine shut-off cable.
New packing in stuffing box.
Touched up bottom paint.
Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.


N1EE April 25th 04 01:05 AM

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Horvath wrote

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:25:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Install new, bigger holding tank.


Now there's a load of crap.

Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.


Those *******s!


What do you suggest? Wiring the shore power to the mount?

N1EE April 25th 04 01:06 AM

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So did you wire in the turn signals too?

"Scott Vernon" wrote

New ign. switch for the Yanmar.

Maintenance. Boring.



new switch is not maintenance. It's a three pole switch off a motorcycle.
I wired it so I can start the engine ( or check the fuel gauge) without
that damn buzzer going off.

Scotty


N1EE April 25th 04 01:15 AM

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I'll give you 1/4 pt for signing your name
to your report.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Nothing that much. Had a diver clean off the bottom. Also,
just got a mailsail cover made. The guy who sewed it for
me, didn't get the length right, but he's redoing it. Should
be ready in a day or two.


N1EE April 25th 04 01:21 AM

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Lame report--a dozen lashes.

But the Powerboard product seems very interesting
--worth 1 pt.

It is too bad there is little information on it.
I'll write them and see if I can find out more on it.
Have you used one?


Oz, by the way, you are not showing up on my newsgroup
reader except when someone replies to your posts. I
have no filters on, yet you and Loco are not showing
up like almost everyone else.

Bart

3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.


Beg to differ, but the BEST sander to use is the Powerboard
http://www.atlcomposites.com/product...powerboard.htm

You'll be astounded at just how fast you get the job done

Oz1...of the 3 twins.


N1EE April 25th 04 01:32 AM

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Good report, but not enough detail. 8 points.

Any pictures? The eel grass would have been
interesting to see.

What sort of props do you have?

What do you recommend for raw water strainers?

What is with the carbon in the exhaust elbows?
Is this the first time you have serviced it?
How did you find this problems? How often does
this item need service?

Are you coming up to Long Island Sound this year?

Bart

"Jeff Morris" wrote

This year I'm paying some extra attention to my 2 Yanmar 2GM20FC's, and
saildrives.

Propellers pulled, new zincs installed, props back on with about half the
hardware replaced.
Replace lower gear oil.
Pull exhaust elbows, chip out carbon, clean with Dremel.
Drain antifreeze.
Pull out heat exchanger coils - I found a large clump of eel grass blocking
about half the passages in one of them - now I know why that engine would
overheat when run too fast. Clean and re-installed.
Change water pump impellors.
Change fuel filters
Replace fan belt on fridge.
Replace water pump on fridge.

Still to do:
finish putting stuff back together, replace antifreeze
buff topsides
bottom paint (I have two 36 foot hulls to do!)
paint saildrives
start engines
replace plastic (strataglas) on one hardtop window
powerwash deck
launch
bend on sails
have a beer, think about installing proper raw water strainers.


N1EE April 25th 04 01:34 AM

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Horvath wrote

On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE) wrote
this crap:

Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!


No. Please don't beat me!


I'd enjoy giving you a dozen with a cat.

Wally April 25th 04 01:39 AM

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N1EE wrote:

Good for you. For full credit I'd like to see
the pictures.


Probably after the weekend - got a full day of racing tomorrow.


I discuss the hollowness of my rudder with a
friend. He suggested that I add some foam to
build it out. I think a layer or two of roving
and some fairing will be easier.


Do you mean glass fibre mat and resin? I'd have thought some sort of foam or
filler would be less work to fair, and probably easier and faster to apply.


Funny you should mention Seagull outboards. I
have an old Seagull 4 HP outboard that came with my
Etchells. It seems seized up.


It would be worth having a look inside the gearbox to se if there's any oil
in it. Do you have a workshop manual for it?


At some point I
need to try and get it working. Let us know what
you learn working on yours.


A gas-powered spanner is *very* useful.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music



Pony Express April 25th 04 01:42 AM

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Bob, who?
You'll have to forgive me. I read very little of
this anymore, so I'm not up to speed on motorized
router bits and the like.
S

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in
message
...
:
: "Pony Express"
wrote in message
:
k.net...
: | Motorized router bits? You guys have some
weird
: | stuff up there in Canada.
:
: Think back Pony.... way back..... when Bob was
the self appointed "Tim the
: Tool Man" on ASA... remember the tool talk and
boasting.... he was
: claiming he had motorized router bits...... ???
:
: Man that was so funny.... it was better than
when I went after him about the
: sailing trip....
:
: How could you guys forget so soon????
:
: Is Bob RIGHT??? ..... are you all suffering
collective Pavlov's syndrome?
:
: CM
:
:


Scott Vernon April 25th 04 02:33 AM

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote
I might be getting a brand new ...[ free ]... alternator from a friend.


ok, bob.


Scott Vernon April 25th 04 02:37 AM

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2GM20F.

SV


"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
What size Yanmar do you have?


"Scott Vernon" wrote

Install new, bigger holding tank.
Made a new mount for the bow red/green light. Someone broke it off at my
slip.
New ign. switch for the Yanmar.
replaced water pump impellor.
Oiled and re-routed the engine shut-off cable.
New packing in stuffing box.
Touched up bottom paint.
Buffed and waxed the hull, but need to do it over again.



Scott Vernon April 25th 04 02:39 AM

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I often wondered how many 'do-gooder' (liberal) legislature types thought
about requiring them on boats.

SV


"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
So did you wire in the turn signals too?

"Scott Vernon" wrote

New ign. switch for the Yanmar.
Maintenance. Boring.



new switch is not maintenance. It's a three pole switch off a

motorcycle.
I wired it so I can start the engine ( or check the fuel gauge) without
that damn buzzer going off.

Scotty



Flying Tadpole April 25th 04 02:57 AM

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All you need to know about Seagull motors:

http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/seagull.htm



--
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Capt. Mooron April 25th 04 03:08 AM

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote
| I might be getting a brand new ...[ free ]... alternator from a friend.
|
| ok, bob.

...and it didn't cost me one red penny!

CM



Joe April 25th 04 03:11 AM

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(N1EE) wrote in message om...
Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!


Put a layer of 24oz fiberglass matt on top the wheelhouse, 9 yards &
3 gallons of resin.

Now I remember why I hate working with fiberglass so much. Nothing
like sweating your ass off and getting covered with fiberglass.

But it should be hail proof as long as it stays under baseball size.

Joe













My report: Hull Fairing and Painting Project

The last few weeks I've been fairing the hull of my
big boat with a goal of getting it in the water by May
30th. I've just about completed the bottom of the hull,
and plan one more layup of fairing material on the hull.
So far I must have over 24 hours of sanding, and my
brother has another 16 hours logged.

Time to move the poppets and fair the areas under them.
I've been fairing the thru-hulls to take them from nipple
size down to the opening diameter.

Here's what I've learned about fairing a hull.

1. Make small batches of fairing material and apply each
batch carefully. Excess has to be sanded off. Mix your
own and use lots of filler to make it easier to sand.
Several thin layers are easier to work than a single
thick layer. I used West 410 filler and found it mixed
well, and was not too hard to sand. 407 filler was harder
to mix but sanded much easier.

2. Fair every inch of the hull--don't be lazy. I used
a 6" knife to spread it. I cleaned it with solvent when
applying more than one batch. When leaving overnight,
It was faster just to break the plastic off the knife
the following day.

3. The best sander to use is a 6" orbital hook and loop
--6 hole hook and loop--60-80 grit paper. I also used an
air powered longboards for final sanding--use 80-100 grit.

4. Use a vacuum cleaner with the sander and get plenty of
bags.

5. Stay upwind of the sander, and pick a cool, windy cool
day and get the job done quickly If you stay upwind of
the grit on a windy day, you won't need a repirator.

6. Repeat the fairing and sanding a few times and it will
look good.

7. Use a respirator when you are underneath the sander.
Always use eye protection.

8. Take asprin or other pain killers before you start
working--trust me on that one. You'll get more done.

9. Drink at least two beers after every hard day and go
to bed early, so you can start in again early the next
day.

Future work: The keel needs a little more sanding and
fairing, as does the rudder. I've discovered my rudder
is actually slightly concave. It was repaired at some
point. My feeling is I need to fill the hollow spot six
inches in from the trailing edge to make it flat or
slightly convex. I'm worried that as it is--slightly
concave, it'll make the rudder prone to stalling.

Next comes barrier coat and bottom paint. I'm going with
copper-poxy, which needs lots more sanding, but lasts
years longer and can be sanded in the water. It also
serves as a barrier coat, which might save some work.

The shrink wrapp comes off soon. It is starting to get
in the way. So far we have had very little rain, most
of that has passed to the north and missed the boat. My
wooden platform is also getting in the way. Time to bite
the bullet, buy a longer ladder, and improve work access
to the topsides.

After May 1st, I'm going to borrow a mast dolly, sand
and paint the mast, replacing some shives, and work on
the masthead. I want to stick a couple of extra Ham
antennas up there and haven't figured out how to do that
yet.

Bart Senior


Jeff Morris April 25th 04 03:54 AM

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Good report, but not enough detail. 8 points.

Any pictures? The eel grass would have been
interesting to see.


Tomorrow, maybe - I did save the largest clump.


What sort of props do you have?


Volvo two blade folding


What do you recommend for raw water strainers?


There's no cheap way because you need full flow. I'm thinking Groco 750's.
Defender is $75 - WasteMarine is $99. I always wondered why they weren't
standard on the boat, but I guess they think the saildrive feed acts as a
strainer. All in all, it wasn't a lot of debris for 5 years, but it did get
inconveniently far into the system.

What is with the carbon in the exhaust elbows?


One engine has a severe bend in the hose between the elbow and the muffler -
about one foot radius. I'm thinking this causes enough back pressure to carbon
up the elbow. This is the forth time I've pulled it, but the buildup wasn't
that severe. The first time it was 80% clogged, so I figure its worth doing
every year or so. This is the second time for the other engine - its buildup
isn't to bad.

Like a lot of jobs, the first time is hard and stressful - then it gets quick
and easy. Four bolts releases it from the block, so the only hassle is the big
exhaust hose.

Is this the first time you have serviced it?


I've done all this before, except for the heat exchanger core. I wish I had
done that several years ago.

How did you find this problems?


A mechanic at Ashley Marina in Charleston, SC was fixing an oil leak (warranty
work - a bad gasket in the original setup) and didn't like the way it reved up.
When he realized we also used that engine for battery charging, he decided it
was worth looking at the elbow. His advice was to reroute the exhaust (which I
haven't done), rev higher when possible, and pull the elbow every 300 hours.


How often does this item need service?


See above. I'm thinking in a year or two I'll just replace the elbows.



Are you coming up to Long Island Sound this year?


We're hoping to get to Maine this Summer. Also, it's likely we'll go to the
Vineyard and maybe Nantucket. Further South than Newport or Cutyhunk is
unlikely. When are you getting out out of the Sound?.

-jeff



Jonathan Ganz April 25th 04 03:59 AM

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You do that and someone will report you to the SPCA.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Horvath wrote

On 23 Apr 2004 19:25:22 -0700, (N1EE) wrote
this crap:

Your spring project reports are due soon. (10 pts)

What sort of projects have you been doing to
improve your boat? Report in, or take a dozen
lashes!


No. Please don't beat me!


I'd enjoy giving you a dozen with a cat.





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