Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

jim cate has been pushing "new, improved" Mac 26's on this site now for way too
long. If he were the kind of guy who would *actually* buy such a POS he would
have come and gone in 36 hours.

but no, jimmy just keeps coming back with yet more tripe about how a Mac 26,
brand new with engine on a trailer for "only" $30k, is a superior boat to a
brand new (without trailer) Valiant 40 (actually they are 42 now) at $450,000.

only some dumb squat mac dealer would compare the two boats, and then just keep
right on taking abuse for his dumb statements.

Are mac 26 sales in the toilet? jim cate's actions make it sound like it.

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Jax asked:
Are mac 26 sales in the toilet?

I would think not. They stick their money into the marketing campaigns at
boat shows and lure in all the newbie wannabe's, especially those with
familiarity with small motorcraft. This was the newbie to sailing doesn't
suffer "shock" when he loses all his power but still gets the ethereal joy
of "sailing". Quite frankly, if I wanted to motor and sail, I'd go the
pilothouse motorsailor anyday before buying a *******ized ski boat. The
price tag appeals to the young set with a couple of little kids. It's
affordable on a middle class income whereas a 30K used good sailboat is
going to need maintenance, time, and knowledge to keep it up. And you can't
tow the kids in a tube very fast, so the kids might get bored without all
the over=stimulation of a "fast" boat. What these people don't get is that
people like us (ng regulars) sail for entirely different reasons than
wanting to "get there", entertain the kids, or what they may think is
versatility. Jim Cate just does not "get it".
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

The Mac 26 is designed by a genius team..
Sailing is very dependent on the wind.. and if it dies down..
one can get back to home port safely and quickly.. dependably.
THat is worth its weight in gold.
W hat does one do sailing to Catalina Island.. 12 miles
offshore and the wind goes down to a zepher..

I sail a C&C 27 Mark III and love it because of its
performance with the Hood Sails and its wonderful lines.
I rarely motor the Atomic 4 engine.. often sailing
directly into the mooring through a narrow harbour
entrance, along a long main harbour, making a turn
into a smaller harbour, with a challenging current,
into my 12 foot mooring.. singlehanded.

--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

If 'getting back to your home port safely & quickly' is your primary
concern, you should NOT leave the dock, and definitley should NOT be buying
a sailboat (or a Mac26X-M ).

SV


"John W. Bienko" wrote in message
...
The Mac 26 is designed by a genius team..
Sailing is very dependent on the wind.. and if it dies down..
one can get back to home port safely and quickly.. dependably.
THat is worth its weight in gold.
W hat does one do sailing to Catalina Island.. 12 miles
offshore and the wind goes down to a zepher..

I sail a C&C 27 Mark III and love it because of its
performance with the Hood Sails and its wonderful lines.
I rarely motor the Atomic 4 engine.. often sailing
directly into the mooring through a narrow harbour
entrance, along a long main harbour, making a turn
into a smaller harbour, with a challenging current,
into my 12 foot mooring.. singlehanded.

--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Are mac 26 sales in the toilet? jim cate's actions make it sound like it.

To some extent, probably. The "old" Mac26X had to compete with the numerous
previously owned Macs on the market, by coming up with a new model, the
brokers no longer have to deal with that. They can claim that they have a
new model, and comparisons betweeen a "new" 26M and a previously owned 26X
are invalid.
John Cairns

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

katysails wrote:
Jax asked:
Are mac 26 sales in the toilet?

I would think not. They stick their money into the marketing campaigns at
boat shows and lure in all the newbie wannabe's, especially those with
familiarity with small motorcraft. This was the newbie to sailing doesn't
suffer "shock" when he loses all his power but still gets the ethereal joy
of "sailing". Quite frankly, if I wanted to motor and sail, I'd go the
pilothouse motorsailor anyday before buying a *******ized ski boat. The
price tag appeals to the young set with a couple of little kids. It's
affordable on a middle class income whereas a 30K used good sailboat is
going to need maintenance, time, and knowledge to keep it up. And you can't
tow the kids in a tube very fast, so the kids might get bored without all
the over=stimulation of a "fast" boat. What these people don't get is that
people like us (ng regulars) sail for entirely different reasons than
wanting to "get there", entertain the kids, or what they may think is
versatility. Jim Cate just does not "get it".

Actually, Jim DOES get it, and you don't. He has sailed on a number of
displacement boats in the 30-40 ft range, including the aforsaid
Valiant, O'Days, Cals, Endeavors, Catalinas, etc., and he knows the
advantages and the disadvantages of such boats. What he is saying is
that the "quality" of a boat can only be determined in relation to
criteria that are essential to the particular owner, in view of the
conditions and usage anticipated. Some on this ng simply can't get over
the fact that they have been unable to intimidate him, or drive him
away, and that despite all their sneering and Mac-bashing, Jim's still
here. - Obviously, this isn't what's supposed to happen. (Of course, if
they REALLY didn't care about Jim's opinions, and REALLY felt that that
the Mac discussions were irrelevant and a waste of time, they would
simply move on to another subject. - But they don't. The discussion is
obviously so disconcerting that they simply can't leave it alone!

Jim

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

No Jim, you DON"T get it. You are confusing quality with utility. The
fact that the Mac is the perfect boat for you just means it is the
perfect boat for you. It does not embue it with nautical qualities
that would even begin to compare wit a Valient. Quality is not in the
eye of the beholder. Utility is.


On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:50:51 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



katysails wrote:
Jax asked:
Are mac 26 sales in the toilet?

I would think not. They stick their money into the marketing campaigns at
boat shows and lure in all the newbie wannabe's, especially those with
familiarity with small motorcraft. This was the newbie to sailing doesn't
suffer "shock" when he loses all his power but still gets the ethereal joy
of "sailing". Quite frankly, if I wanted to motor and sail, I'd go the
pilothouse motorsailor anyday before buying a *******ized ski boat. The
price tag appeals to the young set with a couple of little kids. It's
affordable on a middle class income whereas a 30K used good sailboat is
going to need maintenance, time, and knowledge to keep it up. And you can't
tow the kids in a tube very fast, so the kids might get bored without all
the over=stimulation of a "fast" boat. What these people don't get is that
people like us (ng regulars) sail for entirely different reasons than
wanting to "get there", entertain the kids, or what they may think is
versatility. Jim Cate just does not "get it".

Actually, Jim DOES get it, and you don't. He has sailed on a number of
displacement boats in the 30-40 ft range, including the aforsaid
Valiant, O'Days, Cals, Endeavors, Catalinas, etc., and he knows the
advantages and the disadvantages of such boats. What he is saying is
that the "quality" of a boat can only be determined in relation to
criteria that are essential to the particular owner, in view of the
conditions and usage anticipated. Some on this ng simply can't get over
the fact that they have been unable to intimidate him, or drive him
away, and that despite all their sneering and Mac-bashing, Jim's still
here. - Obviously, this isn't what's supposed to happen. (Of course, if
they REALLY didn't care about Jim's opinions, and REALLY felt that that
the Mac discussions were irrelevant and a waste of time, they would
simply move on to another subject. - But they don't. The discussion is
obviously so disconcerting that they simply can't leave it alone!

Jim

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Jim states:
Actually, Jim DOES get it, and you don't

By that statement and the jargon that followed it, you have now damned
yourself from the ng. You have admitted that, having sailed regular
displacement style sailboats, that the lure of the 50 hp engine is the way
to fo. You, sir, are no sailor. You aren't even in the hermaphrodite
leagues of those that succumb to sailing trawlers (which there are at least
valid reasons to operate). Begone. Out, out black spot.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Marc wrote:
No Jim, you DON"T get it. You are confusing quality with utility. The
fact that the Mac is the perfect boat for you just means it is the
perfect boat for you. It does not embue it with nautical qualities
that would even begin to compare wit a Valient. Quality is not in the
eye of the beholder. Utility is.




No, Marc, YOU are the one who doesn't get it. The quality built into the
design of the Mac26M is of a different nature than that built into the
valiant 40, but it's quality nonetheless. For example, the fact that
the Valiant would quickly sink to the bottom if the hull were
compromised, or in the event of a collision or freak wave, whereas the
Mac would stay afloat is a QUALITY and safety factor for any sailor
going offshore. You and your buddies continue to ignore this, yet just
last year a young man on a displacement boat was dragged to the bottom
as the boat sank during severe weather conditions. The ability to stay
afloat in any weather IS a quality issue.

Similarly, the design features that permit the boat to traverse very
shallow water is also a QUALITY design feature. - I happen to have
served on the crew of the tall ship Elissa (built in Aberdeen in 1873)
for several years. (My job was serving as a docent giving guided tours
of the ship and explaining its history, sails, lines, etc.) It's a
magnificent experience, the view from yardarms at the top of the masts
is spectacular, and sailing the ship is like stepping back in time some
130 years. But although I love the history and lore of sailing, I'm
realistic enough to recognize that sailboat design has advanced since
the Elissa was launched. In my opinion, you and your buddies have your
heads stuck in the sand with respect to some of the improvements and
advantages incorporated in the Mac 26M. All boats are a compromise,
including the Mac, which doesn't have the ride comfort or pointing
abilities of heavier boats. But the heavier boats have disadvanteges
also, and don't provide many of the features and capabilities of the Mac.

Jim









On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:50:51 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



katysails wrote:

Jax asked:
Are mac 26 sales in the toilet?

I would think not. They stick their money into the marketing campaigns at
boat shows and lure in all the newbie wannabe's, especially those with
familiarity with small motorcraft. This was the newbie to sailing doesn't
suffer "shock" when he loses all his power but still gets the ethereal joy
of "sailing". Quite frankly, if I wanted to motor and sail, I'd go the
pilothouse motorsailor anyday before buying a *******ized ski boat. The
price tag appeals to the young set with a couple of little kids. It's
affordable on a middle class income whereas a 30K used good sailboat is
going to need maintenance, time, and knowledge to keep it up. And you can't
tow the kids in a tube very fast, so the kids might get bored without all
the over=stimulation of a "fast" boat. What these people don't get is that
people like us (ng regulars) sail for entirely different reasons than
wanting to "get there", entertain the kids, or what they may think is
versatility. Jim Cate just does not "get it".

Actually, Jim DOES get it, and you don't. He has sailed on a number of
displacement boats in the 30-40 ft range, including the aforsaid
Valiant, O'Days, Cals, Endeavors, Catalinas, etc., and he knows the
advantages and the disadvantages of such boats. What he is saying is
that the "quality" of a boat can only be determined in relation to
criteria that are essential to the particular owner, in view of the
conditions and usage anticipated. Some on this ng simply can't get over
the fact that they have been unable to intimidate him, or drive him
away, and that despite all their sneering and Mac-bashing, Jim's still
here. - Obviously, this isn't what's supposed to happen. (Of course, if
they REALLY didn't care about Jim's opinions, and REALLY felt that that
the Mac discussions were irrelevant and a waste of time, they would
simply move on to another subject. - But they don't. The discussion is
obviously so disconcerting that they simply can't leave it alone!

Jim