Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Jimsprit wrote:

100 miles? don't take it 1 mile from shore, or in waves above 2
feet or winds above 15 knots.

I do intend to be somewhat conservative for the first few months. -
Perhaps limiting it to 75 miles offshore, with winds of less than 50
knots.

Don't overdo it with the big wind stuff - it's too obvious that you're
trolling.


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Wally
www.artbywally.com
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SPAM!! Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

SPAM? Have you checked the prices for the 26M model on yachtworld.com?

Jim

JAXAshby wrote:

SPAM!!!


Sales of Mac 26 down? Not likely. (Maybe you ought to check out your
facts before spouting off with your biased opinions.)


When I called the manufacturer two weeks ago, they told me that they
have no additional boats available for sale currently, and that all
production in the next several months has been sold. My local dealer has
one on delivery, but after that he won't be able to get another one for
five months.

Jim



JAXAshby wrote:


jim cate has been pushing "new, improved" Mac 26's on this site now for way

too

long. If he were the kind of guy who would *actually* buy such a POS he

would

have come and gone in 36 hours.

but no, jimmy just keeps coming back with yet more tripe about how a Mac

26,

brand new with engine on a trailer for "only" $30k, is a superior boat to a
brand new (without trailer) Valiant 40 (actually they are 42 now) at

$450,000.

only some dumb squat mac dealer would compare the two boats, and then just

keep

right on taking abuse for his dumb statements.

Are mac 26 sales in the toilet? jim cate's actions make it sound like it.

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

John Cairns wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:38:58 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:


When I called the manufacturer two weeks ago, they told me that they
have no additional boats available for sale currently, and that all
production in the next several months has been sold. My local dealer has
one on delivery, but after that he won't be able to get another one for
five months.


Production problems.

BB


Nah, just a sucker tactic by the dealer and manufacturer. They use the
ensuing time to let the dealer sell the sucker/customer about $10-$15k worth
of options, next thing you know, you own the most expensive porta-potty on
the planet. And better yet, they get the cash up front at the closing,


Interesting. My dealer only asked for a $500 deposit. - Strange how the
facts keep coming back to bite you, John.

Jim



no
banker in his right mind would EVER loan someone $30k to buy a boat that's
only worth $17k before the ink dries on the sales contract. Come to think of
it, wouldn't be surprised if they get a lot of that up front money
looooooong before the boat is delivered, makes it harder for the
sucker/customer to back out of the deal.
John Cairns

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

(1) Regarding your claim that the dealers try to load up the boat with
extra equipment to jack up the price, my dealer has done the opposite.
He has questioned several of my accessories and suggested ways to do the
same thing cheaper. He also suggested that I might be able to get by
with a smaller, less expensive motor. However, I am including several
modifications (e.g., three reefing points) and some added equipment
(such as lines led aft, roller furling, auto steering) to make the boat
more suitable for offshore sailing.

(2) With respect to depreciation, I suggest that you check
yachtworld.com for current prices of the 26M model aroung the country.
(The lowest I see is $29,990). I also suggest that you talk to owners of
larger boats in our area who have been trying to sell their boats for
months, and even years in some cases!! I would also call your attention
to the fact that 30% depreciation over several years on a $25K boat is
substantially less than 15% depreciation on a more expensive,
displacement boats normally equipted. (And that two and three year old
displacement boats bought new are often down more than 15%). I would
also call your attention to the report on depreciation of the Mac boats
in the Practical Sailor article discussed above.

Jim



John Cairns wrote:

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

I kinda funny that Jim considered "several months" as a sign that macs are

hard

to get. Most builders don't considered themselves really "back ordered"

unless

its at least 6 months or more. And a custom boat often takes 4 or 5

months to

build, but that's clearly a far different class from a mac.


That too, but I know those dealers load those things up with crap. I
remember the for sale ad in the Sunday Detroit News several years back,
fellow had a year-old 26x that he said he paid 28k for and was selling for
22k. I noticed a fair percentage of the ads at "yachtworld" and
"trader-on-line" were asking prices in the mid-twenties. Out of curiosity I
did the search again and found a "dealer" in Fla. that was advertising "new"
26m's for $18,990 add $7000!!!!!! for your choice of 50 h.p.engines
installed. So I was probably slightly underestimating the "out the door"
price of one of these quality boats loaded up with all the goodies that the
suckers who buy 'em can't seem to resist, based on any number of the "for
sale" ads I've browsed through. Amazing what folks will pay for the
privilege of owning one of these things, considering what you can purchase
for that kind of money.
http://www.sungrill.com/Sailboat/MacGregor26X.htm#2001
Damn, I might have been a little further off, this poor ******* ended up
dropping his price from $22k to $18k before he sold it. Wonder how much he
actually got? Let Jim do the math for us, what percentage did this boat
depreciate in less than 3 years?
John Cairns

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

patooie.

(1) Regarding your claim that the dealers try to load up the boat with
extra equipment to jack up the price, my dealer has done the opposite.
He has questioned several of my accessories and suggested ways to do the
same thing cheaper. He also suggested that I might be able to get by
with a smaller, less expensive motor. However, I am including several
modifications (e.g., three reefing points) and some added equipment
(such as lines led aft, roller furling, auto steering) to make the boat
more suitable for offshore sailing.

(2) With respect to depreciation, I suggest that you check
yachtworld.com for current prices of the 26M model aroung the country.
(The lowest I see is $29,990). I also suggest that you talk to owners of
larger boats in our area who have been trying to sell their boats for
months, and even years in some cases!! I would also call your attention
to the fact that 30% depreciation over several years on a $25K boat is
substantially less than 15% depreciation on a more expensive,
displacement boats normally equipted. (And that two and three year old
displacement boats bought new are often down more than 15%). I would
also call your attention to the report on depreciation of the Mac boats
in the Practical Sailor article discussed above.

Jim



John Cairns wrote:

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

I kinda funny that Jim considered "several months" as a sign that macs are

hard

to get. Most builders don't considered themselves really "back ordered"

unless

its at least 6 months or more. And a custom boat often takes 4 or 5

months to

build, but that's clearly a far different class from a mac.


That too, but I know those dealers load those things up with crap. I
remember the for sale ad in the Sunday Detroit News several years back,
fellow had a year-old 26x that he said he paid 28k for and was selling for
22k. I noticed a fair percentage of the ads at "yachtworld" and
"trader-on-line" were asking prices in the mid-twenties. Out of curiosity I
did the search again and found a "dealer" in Fla. that was advertising
"new"
26m's for $18,990 add $7000!!!!!! for your choice of 50 h.p.engines
installed. So I was probably slightly underestimating the "out the door"
price of one of these quality boats loaded up with all the goodies that the
suckers who buy 'em can't seem to resist, based on any number of the "for
sale" ads I've browsed through. Amazing what folks will pay for the
privilege of owning one of these things, considering what you can purchase
for that kind of money.
http://www.sungrill.com/Sailboat/MacGregor26X.htm#2001
Damn, I might have been a little further off, this poor ******* ended up
dropping his price from $22k to $18k before he sold it. Wonder how much he
actually got? Let Jim do the math for us, what percentage did this boat
depreciate in less than 3 years?
John Cairns

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
jim, do you sleep well at night pushing that b/s to peddle boats to the naive?

I'm not peddling anything. I am merely providing a little balance to
this discussion. Because balance and intellectual honesty are in short
supply regarding boats such as the Mac, to you, they sound like heresy,
or even blasphemy.

Get over it Jax.

Jim



geesh, d00d. your mother would be embarrassed by your lack of morals.


Jim, it wasn't designed to go one mile offshore. Every picture, every

claim of

"performance," is in absolutely flat water. This is the major shortcoming

of

the design - its completely worthless as a sailboat in open water. You may

be

able get t "blue water" quickly, but you won't want t stay there.



Nope. The boat was designed as a coastal cruiser. It is routinely
sailed to Catalina island, some 25 miles offshore, for which it's
planing and motoring capabilities permit it to get out to the island in
half the time normally taken by discplacement boats. - Wrong again, Jeff.

Jim






"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:



If 'getting back to your home port safely & quickly' is your primary
concern, you should NOT leave the dock, and definitley should NOT be

buying

a sailboat (or a Mac26X-M ).

SV


I don't intend to take the Mac out more than 100 miles or so from shore.
I do recognize that it wasn't designed for ocean crossings.

Jim




"John W. Bienko" wrote in message
...



The Mac 26 is designed by a genius team..
Sailing is very dependent on the wind.. and if it dies down..
one can get back to home port safely and quickly.. dependably.
THat is worth its weight in gold.
W hat does one do sailing to Catalina Island.. 12 miles
offshore and the wind goes down to a zepher..

I sail a C&C 27 Mark III and love it because of its
performance with the Hood Sails and its wonderful lines.
I rarely motor the Atomic 4 engine.. often sailing
directly into the mooring through a narrow harbour
entrance, along a long main harbour, making a turn
into a smaller harbour, with a challenging current,
into my 12 foot mooring.. singlehanded.

--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

SPAM!! Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

"felton" wrote

I think Jax might be off target here, as well. No one with the
Company would dare make the absurd claims you have or they would be
tied up in litigation from here on. We look forward with eager
anticipation to your sea tales of 50-70 knot wind, 75 miles offshore.
Actually, someone will probably post a newslink to the report when
that happens.

yeah, at http://www.darwinawards.com/

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

I see the answer is, yes you sleep at night wtihout a moment's regret.

jim, do you sleep well at night pushing that b/s to peddle boats to the
naive?

I'm not peddling anything. I am merely providing a little balance to
this discussion. Because balance and intellectual honesty are in short
supply regarding boats such as the Mac, to you, they sound like heresy,
or even blasphemy.

Get over it Jax.

Jim



geesh, d00d. your mother would be embarrassed by your lack of morals.


Jim, it wasn't designed to go one mile offshore. Every picture, every

claim of

"performance," is in absolutely flat water. This is the major shortcoming

of

the design - its completely worthless as a sailboat in open water. You
may

be

able get t "blue water" quickly, but you won't want t stay there.



Nope. The boat was designed as a coastal cruiser. It is routinely
sailed to Catalina island, some 25 miles offshore, for which it's
planing and motoring capabilities permit it to get out to the island in
half the time normally taken by discplacement boats. - Wrong again, Jeff.

Jim






"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:



If 'getting back to your home port safely & quickly' is your primary
concern, you should NOT leave the dock, and definitley should NOT be

buying

a sailboat (or a Mac26X-M ).

SV


I don't intend to take the Mac out more than 100 miles or so from shore.
I do recognize that it wasn't designed for ocean crossings.

Jim




"John W. Bienko" wrote in message
...



The Mac 26 is designed by a genius team..
Sailing is very dependent on the wind.. and if it dies down..
one can get back to home port safely and quickly.. dependably.
THat is worth its weight in gold.
W hat does one do sailing to Catalina Island.. 12 miles
offshore and the wind goes down to a zepher..

I sail a C&C 27 Mark III and love it because of its
performance with the Hood Sails and its wonderful lines.
I rarely motor the Atomic 4 engine.. often sailing
directly into the mooring through a narrow harbour
entrance, along a long main harbour, making a turn
into a smaller harbour, with a challenging current,
into my 12 foot mooring.. singlehanded.

--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Surplus Mac's in huge demand to make
artificial reefs.


Jim Cate wrote

JAXAshby wrote:
jim, do you sleep well at night pushing that b/s to peddle boats to the naive?

I'm not peddling anything. I am merely providing a little balance to
this discussion. Because balance and intellectual honesty are in short
supply regarding boats such as the Mac, to you, they sound like heresy,
or even blasphemy.

Get over it Jax.

Jim

Are sales of Mac 26 down the tubes?
 

Wally wrote:

Jimsprit wrote:


100 miles? don't take it 1 mile from shore, or in waves above 2
feet or winds above 15 knots.


I do intend to be somewhat conservative for the first few months. -
Perhaps limiting it to 75 miles offshore, with winds of less than 50
knots.


Don't overdo it with the big wind stuff - it's too obvious that you're
trolling.

\
Would you believe 45 knots?

Jim