In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:23:07 +1100, Peter Wiley
said:

Somehow it escapes
the right wing nutcases like CA that this violates US citizens' right
to be free from arbitrary search.

Sorry, Peter, but a U.S. Constitutional law scholar you're not.

How true. Perhaps you'd like to tell me that the police in the USA can
stop any/all vehicles on a public road and search them any time,
without any reason to suspect they're transporting something illegal?
That the police in the USA can enter & search any & all houses in case
there are illegal substances/activities occurring?

If so, you're worse off than I am where I live, which would only mildly
surprise me. Here the Govt has difficulty in trying to legally search
vehicles on a public highway for smuggled tobacco. Since the tax rates
got so high, tobacco smuggling has become very lucrative which I also
think is funny. Law of diminishing returns....

Whatever. Designer I know in the USA registered his personal vessel in
Panama just to avoid the unceasing and increasing USCG rules, plus he
wanted the right to travel peaceably without being sarched by the US
Navy. Guess a person who's a quintessential American individualist who
likes his pre-WOD freedoms of movement looks like some antisocial
individual these days. Your loss.

Peter Wiley

In upper NY, on the reservations the Indians can sell cigs without taxes.
You're allowed 2 cartons in your car at a time. Last week they busted a van
with 800+ cartons. Happens weekly.

SV



"Peter Wiley" wrote

How true. Perhaps you'd like to tell me that the police in the USA can
stop any/all vehicles on a public road and search them any time,
without any reason to suspect they're transporting something illegal?
That the police in the USA can enter & search any & all houses in case
there are illegal substances/activities occurring?

If so, you're worse off than I am where I live, which would only mildly
surprise me. Here the Govt has difficulty in trying to legally search
vehicles on a public highway for smuggled tobacco. Since the tax rates
got so high, tobacco smuggling has become very lucrative which I also
think is funny. Law of diminishing returns....

Whatever. Designer I know in the USA registered his personal vessel in
Panama just to avoid the unceasing and increasing USCG rules, plus he
wanted the right to travel peaceably without being sarched by the US
Navy. Guess a person who's a quintessential American individualist who
likes his pre-WOD freedoms of movement looks like some antisocial
individual these days. Your loss.

Peter Wiley

"Peter Wiley" wrote

..... Perhaps you'd like to tell me that the police in the USA can
stop any/all vehicles on a public road and search them any time,
without any reason to suspect they're transporting something illegal?
That the police in the USA can enter & search any & all houses in case
there are illegal substances/activities occurring?

Unfortunately, US police can do exactly that, or even beat a confession out
of you just like the KGB, they just don't get to use the evidence in court.
If they can use the info from an illegal search or beating to obtain enough
legal evidence to convict they're home free. Otherwise, if you are innocent,
they you "get off on a technicality" but *nobody* ever gets punished for
violating your rights. So it's win-win for them.

Case in point. Town clown takes a gun off a teen and accidentaly shoots
himself with it. So he tosses the gun and tells dispatch he's stopping a red
honda with obscure tags, then moments later that a passenger shot him. His
cronies bust every red Honda in town and, despite *impossible* odds, find a
big bag of dope in each and every one of them. Probably the same bag. Months
later another kid found the gun and the truth came out, but what about all
the dozen or so Honda drivers arrested for dealing drugs? The prosecutor
dropped the charges, leaving them with records: dealers who'd gotten off on
a "technicality". Meanwhile the papers praised the cops for getting the
drugs off the street. And y'know why that crap continues? Cuz y'all live in
a dream world. And no, I've never been in a Honda.

Peter Wiley wrote:
Dave wrote:
Sorry, Peter, but a U.S. Constitutional law scholar you're not.

How true. Perhaps you'd like to tell me that the police in the USA can
stop any/all vehicles on a public road and search them any time,
without any reason to suspect they're transporting something illegal?
....snip...

Ahhh, yes. Driving through Mississippi in an expensive (foreign)
sportscar with long hair in the 60s... After pulling me over, their
stopping policy (I assume it was their policy because they used it on
me more than once) was to kneel behind their opened doors with their
guns drawn and hammers back and yell, "Outa the car, muthah****ah.
Hands on the hood!"

The good old days...

Frank

Peter Wiley wrote:
In article
, Dave
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:23:07 +1100, Peter Wiley
said:

Somehow it escapes
the right wing nutcases like CA that this violates US citizens'
right to be free from arbitrary search.

Sorry, Peter, but a U.S. Constitutional law scholar you're not.

How true. Perhaps you'd like to tell me that the police in the USA can
stop any/all vehicles on a public road and search them any time,
without any reason to suspect they're transporting something illegal?
That the police in the USA can enter & search any & all houses in case
there are illegal substances/activities occurring?

If so, you're worse off than I am where I live, which would only
mildly surprise me. Here the Govt has difficulty in trying to legally
search vehicles on a public highway for smuggled tobacco. Since the
tax rates got so high, tobacco smuggling has become very lucrative
which I also think is funny. Law of diminishing returns....

Whatever. Designer I know in the USA registered his personal vessel in
Panama just to avoid the unceasing and increasing USCG rules, plus he
wanted the right to travel peaceably without being sarched by the US
Navy. Guess a person who's a quintessential American individualist who
likes his pre-WOD freedoms of movement looks like some antisocial
individual these days. Your loss.

Peter Wiley