no, fleton. you were NOT thinking. quit lying like that.

sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens
control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats.

I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this
context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with
owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that
"control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the
power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said
to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel
owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it.




Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

I was thinking the same thing, Dave. In the context that Jax quoted,
but seems to misunderstand, I gathered the term control was *as in
effective ownership*, not the simple operation of a boat. In other
words, no "citizen" acting as a straw man while the boat is
effectively owned, or controlled, by a noncitizen.

On 11 Mar 2004 05:00:28 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

no, fleton. you were NOT thinking. quit lying like that.

Perhaps you would post a link to a case where someone loses their
documentation for allowing a foreigner to sail their boat without a
citizen aboard. You should really call your nearest community college
and ask any freshman pre-law student to explain the verbage you posted
about "effective control" as it relates to ownership. Next you will
be claiming I can't loan my car to a foreigner or I will lose title to
my vehicle.


sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens
control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats.

I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this
context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with
owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that
"control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the
power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said
to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel
owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it.




Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

I was thinking the same thing, Dave. In the context that Jax quoted,
but seems to misunderstand, I gathered the term control was *as in
effective ownership*, not the simple operation of a boat. In other
words, no "citizen" acting as a straw man while the boat is
effectively owned, or controlled, by a noncitizen.

felton, the mags report a specific story of exactly that happening every few
years, always with the owner bitching he didn't know.

Most of the time in a boarding the coasties don't much care and if the guy has
a US drivers license they consider him a citizen.

nevertheless, if they do check for citizenship and do find a problem, the boat
owner has a problem.

and fleton, quit claiming you are thinking.

no, fleton. you were NOT thinking. quit lying like that.

Perhaps you would post a link to a case where someone loses their
documentation for allowing a foreigner to sail their boat without a
citizen aboard. You should really call your nearest community college
and ask any freshman pre-law student to explain the verbage you posted
about "effective control" as it relates to ownership. Next you will
be claiming I can't loan my car to a foreigner or I will lose title to
my vehicle.


sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting
noncitizens
control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats.

I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this
context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with
owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that
"control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has
the
power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally
said
to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the
vessel
owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it.




Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

I was thinking the same thing, Dave. In the context that Jax quoted,
but seems to misunderstand, I gathered the term control was *as in
effective ownership*, not the simple operation of a boat. In other
words, no "citizen" acting as a straw man while the boat is
effectively owned, or controlled, by a noncitizen.