sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In
addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without a
citizen aboard.

maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't check?

That's not true. Please produce a reference to such a regulation. If this
were
true it would be impossible for a tourist to do a bare boat charter of a
documented vessel.

What is true is that to carry passengers for hire you need a license which
requires citizenship. I believe that immigration papers are accepted for the
lowest level (launch driver perhaps?). I think there a similar restrictions
on
other commercial vessels.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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I believe that documenting a vessel in the US is a privilege of US
citizenship.

that is a fact. non citizens are not even allowed to use documented boats
unless a citizen is aboard

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In
addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without a
citizen aboard.

maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't check?

Maybe there's no such regulation? The CFR is online, jaxie, it shouldn't be too
hard for you to find the reg.

sorry, dude. That's your job.

sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In
addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without a
citizen aboard.

maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't check?

Maybe there's no such regulation? The CFR is online, jaxie, it shouldn't be
too
hard for you to find the reg.

from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely
illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen
onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels, special
permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats.
Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on chartering
to non-citizens.

As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the
Documentation would lapse if it was sold.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US
and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can
he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

OK.
46CFR221 goes into some detail about the process of chartering, including the
permissions required to charter to non-citizens and the fees involved (several
hundred dollars) to obtain this approval.

However, 46CFR221.11:
(b)(1) The approvals required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section
are not required for the following Documented Vessel types if the vessel
has been operated exclusively and with bona fides for one or more of the
following uses, under a Certificate of Documentation with an appropriate
endorsement and no other, since initial documentation or renewal of its
documentation following construction, conversion, or transfer from
foreign registry, or, if it has not yet so operated, if the vessel has
been designed and built and will be operated for one or more of the
following uses:
...
(iv) A Pleasure vessel.


Once again, jaxie, you're busted.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
sorry, dude. That's your job.

sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In
addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without a
citizen aboard.

maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't check?

Maybe there's no such regulation? The CFR is online, jaxie, it shouldn't be
too
hard for you to find the reg.

sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens
control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats.

you are talking aboutthe special case of chartering below.

OK.
46CFR221 goes into some detail about the process of chartering, including the
permissions required to charter to non-citizens and the fees involved
(several
hundred dollars) to obtain this approval.

However, 46CFR221.11:
(b)(1) The approvals required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section
are not required for the following Documented Vessel types if the vessel
has been operated exclusively and with bona fides for one or more of the
following uses, under a Certificate of Documentation with an appropriate
endorsement and no other, since initial documentation or renewal of its
documentation following construction, conversion, or transfer from
foreign registry, or, if it has not yet so operated, if the vessel has
been designed and built and will be operated for one or more of the
following uses:
...
(iv) A Pleasure vessel.


Once again, jaxie, you're busted.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
sorry, dude. That's your job.

sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In
addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without
a
citizen aboard.

maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't
check?

Maybe there's no such regulation? The CFR is online, jaxie, it shouldn't
be
too
hard for you to find the reg.