"Plastiekske" wrote in message
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Ric wrote:

When you bought it, did the US authorities allow you a transit period to
take the boat back to Europe under their flag, or were you expected to
transfer it immediately to Belgian flag before taking possession?

no: the boat had to be deleted from documentation immediately: a non-US
citizen cannot document a
boat in the USA.

So what was the status of the boat after it was deleted from documentation?
As you mentioned earlier, you never registered it in Belgium because of the
tax. Was the boat just not registered anywhere in the interim?

Ric wrote:

So what was the status of the boat after it was deleted from documentation?
As you mentioned earlier, you never registered it in Belgium because of the
tax. Was the boat just not registered anywhere in the interim?

well, since I bought it less than three weeks ago, it's still lying in it's slip in Georgia,
undocumented.

There's a catch-22 situation in this: in order to register the boat in Belgium, it has to be
physically present in Belgium, but ... in order to sail it to Belgium, it has to be registered

I've mailed the USCG to ask them if their exists a way out of this deadlock, but haven't gotten an
answer yet

Frank

Plastiekske wrote:
I'm not an 'undesirable alien', but I've just recently (three weeks ago) bought a US registered boat
(lying in Georgia). I was meaning to sail the boat along the East Coast to Newport, before crossing
the Atlantic to my 'home country' (Belgium).

Seems to me that there are a few alternatives. Why not sail the boat
through the Caribbean, getting far enough south to be out of the
hurricane track come late summer. While out there you can look into what
registration options an expat has, there are bound to be some that will
cost less than $15K (or euros).

BTW did you not figure the VAT or other registration expenses when
calculating whether or not you could afford the boat? Seems like a
rather expensive mistake.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

Seems to me that there are a few alternatives. Why not sail the boat
through the Caribbean, getting far enough south to be out of the
hurricane track come late summer. While out there you can look into what
registration options an expat has, there are bound to be some that will
cost less than $15K (or euros).

BTW did you not figure the VAT or other registration expenses when
calculating whether or not you could afford the boat? Seems like a
rather expensive mistake.

Like I said: I got my information from the Flemish counterpart of the American Sailing Association,
which I believed to be a knowledgeable source. It wasn't until I actually contacted the customs that
it turned out to be that this information was wrong.
I didn't say that I couldn't afford the additional cost, but ... I had planned other things with the
approx US$15600.
So ... I prefer losing US$ 2000 (or maybe even a bit more if somebody comes up with an acceptable
bid) to spending another US$15600 (although it breaks my heart, because this boat was the first one
I encountered having everything that I look for in a boat)

Frank

"Ric" wrote in message ...
Hello,

I am an "alien" as you americans like to call us. I'm even worse an
"undesirable alien" because your government won't give me a visa because of
a book I wrote.

However, I wish to buy a second-hand boat from a gentleman in New York. He
currently has the boat registered under a US flag. Will I be able to keep
the boat under US flag? I intend to live aboard and sail indefinitely, so
will have no fixed abode so no logical country to register the boat. It
would make things much simpler therefore if I just kept it under US flag.
Would this be permitted, given that I am an "undesirable alien" and do not
have an address in the USA?

Whats the name of the book you wrote?

And No you can not keep the vessel registered under a US flag. You
must have a US address to register a boat under a US flag. And it
would be nice if you paid some US taxes. Why should the USA protect
your vessel in international waters if you do nothing for the USA?

I suggest you get that stupid New Yorker to deliver the boat to you,
then you can pay import taxes to your own country and register it in
your country. If your in certian places like Cuba then just forget it
all the way around.

Undesireable alien free loader is more like it.

Capt. American

Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't
really have a "home country" and I would also far rather not have it under
US flag if I can avoid it as I quite like to have boats of other
nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the
USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war
machine.

In article , Ric
wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't
really have a "home country" and I would also far rather not have it under
US flag if I can avoid it as I quite like to have boats of other
nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the
USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war
machine.

Lot of truth in that. The USA asserts the right to search US registered
vessels anywhere, any time, in international waters. Somehow it escapes
the right wing nutcases like CA that this violates US citizens' right
to be free from arbitrary search. Was all about the WOD of course,
which is hopelessly lost. BTW, apparently the British granted the USA
rights to do the same thing for Brit registered vessels and for all I
know, Australia as well. Wouldn't surprise me.

WRT attitudes there was a book published recently by an Australian
woman. She was a left wing bleeding heart who I'd argue with instantly
but some of her observations on US boats & attitudes were interesting.
Can't remember the title, lent it to a friend of mine so I could
develop a good argument topic next time we had a dinner party :-)

NZ is a nice backward country but from stuff Navvie posted, I think
registering a boat there would be a mistake. They have a nanny approach
to blue water sailing which Navvie is happy about and thinks a good
idea, but would drive most people insane. Probably be OK if you never
took the vessel into NZ waters. Surely a local address couldn't be too
hard to arrange, though they might want to see what you're trying to
register.

If you're going to take the boat out of the USA ASAP, try the Cook
Islands or similar. As a NZ citizen you might find registering it there
relatively simple - pay and forget. Panama possibly?

Peter Wiley

Peter Wiley wrote:
Lot of truth in that. The USA asserts the right to search US registered
vessels anywhere, any time, in international waters.

AFAIK the USCG asserts it's rights to search any vessel, anywhere,
priod. Nationality of register does not enter the equation. Quite a few
countries don't agree, and for the most part, the USCG doesn't get in
their face about it. Although there have been a few cases under 'hot
pursuit' doctrine.


... Somehow it escapes
the right wing nutcases like CA that this violates US citizens' right
to be free from arbitrary search.

It doesn't escape them, it's just more comfortable to ignore it.
Besides, not even the US Constition guarantees the same freedoms on the
water to those on land.


WRT attitudes there was a book published recently by an Australian
woman. She was a left wing bleeding heart who I'd argue with instantly
but some of her observations on US boats & attitudes were interesting.


Like what?

If you're going to take the boat out of the USA ASAP, try the Cook
Islands or similar. As a NZ citizen you might find registering it there
relatively simple - pay and forget. Panama possibly?

Possibly, but re-registering an American boat in Panama might be a red
flag to the drug war troops.

There is a huge expat poppulation in the Caribbean, and most of them
seem to have boats. I don't know what they do about registry, but it
might be worth looking into.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Ric" wrote in message ...
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't
really have a "home country"

Whats wrong crybaby, no ones stupid enough to have a traitor for a
citizen?


and I would also far rather not have it under
US flag if I can avoid it

Then dont buy it douch bag! Keep your sticking money.

as I quite like to have boats of other
nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the
USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war
machine.

Kiss my ass dick breath, I had waves and friendly conversation from
boats and people from all over this earth. Sounds like the USCG needs
to be inspecting traitors like you, no telling what your stealing or
who your selling out.. Do us all a favor and stay out of US waters,
your not welcome. Your Un-desireable.

I just hope the National security office picks up on you.

Key words for echelon NIS, CIA, FBI : Bomb-nuclear-Bio dirty . End of
Key words

Please investigate this mans (Ric the author) actions he is an
undesireable alien , track him down and ship him to gitmo.

Capt. American


Capt. American