"katysails" wrote ...
Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

I could say the same thing about my wife. But I won't.

Scotty

The guy sounds a bit like bob. Wonder if it's him trolling? Bob always
cared more about how much a boat costs or what he could make on it than the
actualy sailing. He also was into counting his cute little day sails as
sailing time and bragging about it.

SV

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over.
We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case,

It *is* the case.

but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently.

Then they shouldn't have bought a boat, they should charter one when
they have time and let someone else wear the expenses when it's idle.

Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.

So what? I did this with SCUBA diving and a number of
otherhobbies/activities. Didn't stop me from doing them & enjoying
them. I didn't stop because of money tied up, I stopped because I
wanted to do something different. Hell, I own a 600 acre place in
another state that I get to a couple times a year. I don't bother
thinking about opportunity costs etc etc.

As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

Yeah - your opinion. Fact is, most of us here simply don't care. That
makes you the odd one out on this n/g. Your problem, IOW, not ours.
Find another n/g more simpatico rather than ranting here.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

You *did* buy what everyone here advised against? Enjoy.........

PDW

And don't forget that I sold my old Mac for 25% more than I paid, though I
would have taken 35% of that just to get rid of it.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote

None of those people are regulars here. Those are hobby sailors...they
haven't committed. And anyone who looks at sailing as a financial
proposition where you can get out fiscally solvent is a fool. It does
happen once in a while...we made a profit on both the O'Days...but in
reality, you're putting your money into the enjoyment of sailing and
"being
there".
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

In the interest of full disclosure, I recently placed an order for one
of the new 26M boats. Having carefully studied all the helpful advice
and unbiased reports posted on this and other newsgroups, it became
obvious to me that the Mac 26M was definitely the best choice in the
under $75,000 price range for my intended applications. So, I'm one of
the lucky few who will be able to take delivery of this wonderful new
model in the next few months, since demand far exeeds the supply, and
deliveries are normally several months behind schedule.

Thanks to all for the helpful and educational advice.

Jim


Jim Cate wrote:

As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates, guesses?

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
In the interest of full disclosure, I recently placed an order for one
of the new 26M boats. Having carefully studied all the helpful advice
and unbiased reports posted on this and other newsgroups, it became
obvious to me that the Mac 26M was definitely the best choice in the
under $75,000 price range for my intended applications. So, I'm one of
the lucky few who will be able to take delivery of this wonderful new
model in the next few months, since demand far exeeds the supply, and
deliveries are normally several months behind schedule.

Thanks to all for the helpful and educational advice.

Jim

Nice Troll!

Hey asshole. You don't need to post the same message over and
over again. By definition, that makes you an asshole .. or dumb...
you pick.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
In the interest of full disclosure, I recently placed an order for one
of the new 26M boats. Having carefully studied all the helpful advice
and unbiased reports posted on this and other newsgroups, it became
obvious to me that the Mac 26M was definitely the best choice in the
under $75,000 price range for my intended applications. So, I'm one of
the lucky few who will be able to take delivery of this wonderful new
model in the next few months, since demand far exeeds the supply, and
deliveries are normally several months behind schedule.

Thanks to all for the helpful and educational advice.

Jim


Jim Cate wrote:

As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates,
guesses?

Jim

Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).

- it's time for you to find a brain

And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal

Nah... there are plenty of otherwise homeless people who "own"
boats in this area. They live on them until either finding something
better, the boat sinks, or they get hassled by the local authorities.

Of course, the rest is true.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Marc" wrote in message
...
And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal

That reminds me, any guesses as to where Neal is?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nah... there are plenty of otherwise homeless people who "own"
boats in this area. They live on them until either finding something
better, the boat sinks, or they get hassled by the local authorities.

Of course, the rest is true.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Marc" wrote in message
...
And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news
Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal