Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I learned the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I've always done a lot of research and shopping before making offers on my
boats and have enjoyed every one very much.

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you
ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

he, who had owned the boat for some time, felt doing so under those conditions
was unsafe. I accepted his judgement.

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.
BTW, I've sailed into docks many times and talked to 'sailors' who were
waiting for the wind to 'calm down a bit'.

Scotty


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
he, who had owned the boat for some time, felt doing so under those
conditions
was unsafe. I accepted his judgement.

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is
bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I
learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.

We sailed our Hunter in 35 knot winds at least a dozen times. Apparently some
are better than others... either the boats or the sailors, take yer pick.



BTW, I've sailed into docks many times and talked to 'sailors' who were
waiting for the wind to 'calm down a bit'.

We sailed in to the public park at Ocracoke on a windy day, there were a few 35
foot crab crushers there waiting for better weather. One of the ladies on
another big boat said in pitying tones to my wife, "You poor thing! Did he tell
you it was going to *fun*?!?" She replied, "It was!"

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.

Scotty, the early 80's Hunters were notorious for heavy, heavy weatherhelm
problems. I was also warned off by a LOT of people, including former owners.
The most common complaint for the 27 and 30 was that heavy air of any degree
overpowered the boat easily.
That said, I found that the early Cherebuni Hunters have held up as well as the
Pearsons and certainly better than many Catalinas.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

(Bobsprit) scribbled
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!

A Tanzer 26 is a pretty good boat.


OzOne wrote:
Never bought a dud.....built a few though.

Now there's an expensive hobby!



A 35' that retired from her 4th race when the bow threatened to
collapse and a 36' that retired from her second race when the pressure
of the backstay tore the top off the reverse transom so it looked a
lot like a whale with its mouth open and quite a few more :-)

See, if it had been a double ender, that wouldn't have happened. They are
inherently stronger, y'know!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

On 01 Mar 2004 23:23:51 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.


Balboa 26. Turned out to have a busted rib.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!

A Tanzer 26 is a pretty good boat.


Pretty fast underbody...but not a very attractive boat to my eye. I made an
offer of 6K and was rejected. A year later he sold her for 4.5K.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

A dock neighbor with a 33' Bendy one day told me ,as I was leaving,there
wasn't enough wind to go out (it did pick up a little later on), next
week, same guy told me it was too windy to sail, again , as I was leaving.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Scotty

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.

We sailed our Hunter in 35 knot winds at least a dozen times. Apparently
some
are better than others... either the boats or the sailors, take yer pick.



BTW, I've sailed into docks many times and talked to 'sailors' who were
waiting for the wind to 'calm down a bit'.

We sailed in to the public park at Ocracoke on a windy day, there were a
few 35
foot crab crushers there waiting for better weather. One of the ladies on
another big boat said in pitying tones to my wife, "You poor thing! Did he
tell
you it was going to *fun*?!?" She replied, "It was!"

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

and now you own a Hunter, right?

Scotty

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 01 Mar 2004 23:23:51 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you
ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.


Balboa 26. Turned out to have a busted rib.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I've sailed on a hunter in over 20 kts. It was something in the 40+ foot
range.
I can't really recall. It lumbered like a tub. I hated it. No waves, but 3-4
foot
chop.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
he, who had owned the boat for some time, felt doing so under those
conditions
was unsafe. I accepted his judgement.

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is
bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I
learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I almost joined a partial ownership on a C&C 40 (early 80s as I recall).
It had a bunch of problems that I knew about (mostly electrical), had
the absolute **** for sails (but still sailed ok), then I found out it had
more serious problems... can't recall the details. Too bad to see a nice
boat in such bad shape. Would have taken lots and lots of $$ to get it
right.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you
ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

And then.... he bought a real piece of crap. (I'm talking
about the hunter.)

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 01 Mar 2004 23:23:51 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you
ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.


Balboa 26. Turned out to have a busted rib.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Scotty, there were/are other issues with the H-27 of that era, so I got lucky
by finding out early and not wasting my time.

To this day, I have not heard an owner or former owner of an H-27 of that era
make mention the boat was decent when the winds piped up. Most bitched that
the engine was too small to power them back home against the wind.

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.
BTW, I've sailed into docks many times and talked to 'sailors' who were
waiting for the wind to 'calm down a bit'.

Scotty


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
he, who had owned the boat for some time, felt doing so under those
conditions
was unsafe. I accepted his judgement.

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is
bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I
learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

What did you buy instead of the H27?


A "Sunfish" of about the era as yours and a tad longer.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I've sailed on a hunter in over 20 kts. It was something in the 40+ foot
range.
I can't really recall. It lumbered like a tub. I hated it. No waves, but 3-4
foot
chop.

The last two times we were out there, we rented Hunter 290s from Club Nautique.
Very roomy boat for it's length, clever design... sails well in moderate
conditions... but not a good choice for reaching back & forth in the Slot! The
lee of Angel Island looked & felt really good after that.

OTOH the C&C 40 (if in good shape) would be a great boat for that area. But
owning one in shares kinda sucks IMHO.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

What did you buy instead of the H27?

The H25 and C27 seemed to be the most popular boats back in the '90s. There
was a ****load of them for sale.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Scotty, there were/are other issues with the H-27 of that era, so I got
lucky
by finding out early and not wasting my time.

To this day, I have not heard an owner or former owner of an H-27 of that
era
make mention the boat was decent when the winds piped up. Most bitched
that
the engine was too small to power them back home against the wind.

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.
BTW, I've sailed into docks many times and talked to 'sailors' who were
waiting for the wind to 'calm down a bit'.

Scotty


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
he, who had owned the boat for some time, felt doing so under those
conditions
was unsafe. I accepted his judgement.

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who
won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is
bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I
learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Very roomy boat for it's length, clever design

far and away the most common reason given by Hunter owners as to why they like
their boat.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I never owned a Sunfish.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
What did you buy instead of the H27?


A "Sunfish" of about the era as yours and a tad longer.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Remember the weather between the Annapolis boat show and the Schooner Race?
Some guy was telling me how strong, well built and blue water capable his
boat was, BUT , that he was waiting for a ''weather window'' since the show
to sail back north.

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Scotty, there were/are other issues with the H-27 of that era, so I got
lucky
by finding out early and not wasting my time.

To this day, I have not heard an owner or former owner of an H-27 of that
era
make mention the boat was decent when the winds piped up. Most bitched
that
the engine was too small to power them back home against the wind.

I would have felt it was a reflection more on the owners ability, rather
than the boats.
BTW, I've sailed into docks many times and talked to 'sailors' who were
waiting for the wind to 'calm down a bit'.

Scotty


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
he, who had owned the boat for some time, felt doing so under those
conditions
was unsafe. I accepted his judgement.

What does that have to do with the boat? there are C&C owners who
won't
sail more than 5 miles from their slip, that doesn't mean the boat is
bad.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27

I looked at one once a long time ago, but dropped the idea when I
learned
the
owner wouldn't sail the boat in 20 knots.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Ozzy scribbled thusly:

Now there's an expensive hobby!

Always managed to sell em to some Texan :-)

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I almost bought a Pearson 28 from some idiot on City Island NY.

It wasn't the boat, it was the idiot.

Van

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Okay, everyone come clean....what's the worst boat buying mistake you
ALMOST
made?
For me, before I had a clue about good old boats....

I made an offer on a sad and rather homely looking Tanzer 26!
I nearly made an offer on an infamous Seidelman 25!
I looked at a early 80's Hunter 27! Holy weatherhelm!
I considered a tired Hunter 33! Zikes!
I nearly bought a Catalina 25 with bad decks and rusted keelbolts!

C'mon! I'm sure some of you have considered worse! No offense intended to
owners of the above. If it works for you, great.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I was just walking by when he said that. I don't get it?

SV

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:46:07 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

Ozzy scribbled thusly:

Now there's an expensive hobby!

Always managed to sell em to some Texan :-)


Nah, they don't appreciate quality.

Anyone watch the Oscars....speaking of Texas.
Billy Crystal " They let me come and go as I please....Sorta like the
Texas National Guard" :-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I sold my Hobie and my 16'er for the same that I paid. The Mac I sold for
22% more than I paid. I've already had offers for more than I paid for the
Seidelmann, but I don't want to sell her. She is NOT a stepping stone.

Scotty

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:35:44 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I've always done a lot of research and shopping before making offers on
my
boats and have enjoyed every one very much. My theory is that if you
never
spend more than $3000 on a boat you can never lose more that $6000 when
you sell it.

Scotty

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Jealous


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:58:13 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I sold my Hobie and my 16'er for the same that I paid. The Mac I sold
for
22% more than I paid. I've already had offers for more than I paid for
the
Seidelmann, but I don't want to sell her. She is NOT a stepping stone.


Yeah, we've heard these sort of claims before - "I drove to Las Vegas in
a
$30,000 Caddy, and rode home in a $120,000 bus."

BB

Scotty

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:35:44 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I've always done a lot of research and shopping before making offers
on
my
boats and have enjoyed every one very much. My theory is that if you
never
spend more than $3000 on a boat you can never lose more that $6000
when
you sell it.

Scotty

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

My first sailboat I ended up burning in the back yard. It was ABS plastic(?)
and cracked all over after 8 years of abuse. Paid $400 for it.

Feel better now, billy?

SV

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:58:13 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I sold my Hobie and my 16'er for the same that I paid. The Mac I sold
for
22% more than I paid. I've already had offers for more than I paid for
the
Seidelmann, but I don't want to sell her. She is NOT a stepping stone.


Yeah, we've heard these sort of claims before - "I drove to Las Vegas in
a
$30,000 Caddy, and rode home in a $120,000 bus."

BB

Scotty

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:35:44 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I've always done a lot of research and shopping before making offers
on
my
boats and have enjoyed every one very much. My theory is that if you
never
spend more than $3000 on a boat you can never lose more that $6000
when
you sell it.

Scotty

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

This was a larger one, and it was pretty much the same story. We
mostly stayed below the Bay Bridge. The C&C sailed wonderfully,
even with all that was wrong with it. It was really abused by the
charter company customers and the charter company didn't do much
to fix it up.

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I've sailed on a hunter in over 20 kts. It was something in the 40+ foot
range.
I can't really recall. It lumbered like a tub. I hated it. No waves, but
3-4
foot
chop.

The last two times we were out there, we rented Hunter 290s from Club
Nautique.
Very roomy boat for it's length, clever design... sails well in moderate
conditions... but not a good choice for reaching back & forth in the Slot!
The
lee of Angel Island looked & felt really good after that.

OTOH the C&C 40 (if in good shape) would be a great boat for that area.
But
owning one in shares kinda sucks IMHO.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Yeah, they forget that sailboat usually implies sailing.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Very roomy boat for it's length, clever design

far and away the most common reason given by Hunter owners as to why they
like
their boat.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I almost bought a Pearson 28 from some idiot on City Island NY.

It wasn't the boat, it was the idiot.

What a poor troll. I don't think there's a single P28 on City island.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

How many idiots would you say on City Is.?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I almost bought a Pearson 28 from some idiot on City Island NY.

It wasn't the boat, it was the idiot.

What a poor troll. I don't think there's a single P28 on City island.

RB

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

They are actors, and the 'laugh' sign was lit.

You watched it?
Bwaahahahaha yourself.

Scotty



OzOne wrote in message ...
On 1 Mar 2004 20:48:07 -0600, Dave scribbled
thusly:

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:54:14 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
said:

I was just walking by when he said that. I don't get it?

He thought he was making a joke about the fact that Bush, like many
others,
was allowed to complete a part of his national guard service in an area
he
moved to temporarily. The sort of thing one comes to expect at the Oscars
from a bunch of actors who suddenly have a forum for their political
views.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27
Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
I note that unlike you, the audience had a sense of humor

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Was that before or after he decided not to go for his physical?
And, why exactly didn't he show up for it? It couldn't be his
relationship with coke and alcohol. No way!

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:54:14 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
said:

I was just walking by when he said that. I don't get it?

He thought he was making a joke about the fact that Bush, like many
others,
was allowed to complete a part of his national guard service in an area he
moved to temporarily. The sort of thing one comes to expect at the Oscars
from a bunch of actors who suddenly have a forum for their political
views.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

I know what you mean, but honestly, I saw that joke and a short bit by Robin
Williams. Did Jonny Depp get anything for his gay pirate movie?

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:21:05 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

They are actors, and the 'laugh' sign was lit.

You watched it?
Bwaahahahaha yourself.

Scotty

Yep, I watched it..usually do.

It's funny how when you mention something that happened during the
show, everyone knows what happened but no-one was watching it.

Bwaaahahahahaha...yourself.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Jon, you're no Billy Crystal. Stick to sailing.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Was that before or after he decided not to go for his physical?
And, why exactly didn't he show up for it? It couldn't be his
relationship with coke and alcohol. No way!

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:54:14 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
said:

I was just walking by when he said that. I don't get it?

He thought he was making a joke about the fact that Bush, like many
others,
was allowed to complete a part of his national guard service in an area
he
moved to temporarily. The sort of thing one comes to expect at the
Oscars
from a bunch of actors who suddenly have a forum for their political
views.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

me too. I have the DVD.

SV

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:31:28 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

I know what you mean, but honestly, I saw that joke and a short bit by
Robin
Williams. Did Jonny Depp get anything for his gay pirate movie?

Scotty

Nope!
But my daughter has seen the pic about 6 times.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Drink some rum first.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:43:15 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

me too. I have the DVD.

SV
Haven't seen it yet,,maybe I should.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Your "WORST" Almost Boat....?
 

Nah, don't be so swishy, ya gotta drink Capt. Morgans, or another
appropriate 'Pirate Rum. And keep your little pinky in.

Scotty, Arrrrggggggggg!

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:53:11 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

Drink some rum first.

I don't like rum..other than Bundaberg.

Maybe a nice 1996 Cab Sav


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.