Lifelines Part II
 

old codger, have you been laid since you turned 40 several decades ago? It
doesn't sound like it. If so, was she less than a size 18?

No Alain,

It's Jax who is out of compliance. He knows he is wrong and is trying to
palm off a lie on the Group.

Ole Thom

Lifelines Part II
 

Help, kates? Well, you can go on yet another diet.

Jax admitted:almost. I grew up in Min ah SOW tah.

I'm sorry. What can we do to help?


--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Lifelines Part II
 

Excelsior has had its own post office for something like 70 years.

Wayzata,

My SIS, the "B" rom Hell, lives in Excelsior (has a Wayzata mailing =
address)....Sure your last name isn't Siepp?

--=20
katysails
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Kirie Elite 32
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Navigation Question
 

Navigation Question
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
How about:
Depth Sounder
Bottom from lead line


Bottom mavigation is indeed another way to navigate.



Sound from fog horns & bell/gong buoys.

Good one but very restrictive!

RADAR


Indeed another way to navigate!

Also, "DR" doesn't include Piloting, or using local geographic features.



I dissagree. To trianglate off distance features is DR'n IMHO.

Joe


"Joe" wrote in message
om...

Thanks Suzy,

And since your new here I give you a few answers and see if
you can guess a few others....OK

1. GPS
2. Loran
3. DR
4. celestial
5. Radio Direction

Anyone feel free to ad to the list.

Joe

Navigation Question
 

DSK wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:
And since your new here I give you a few answers and see if
you can guess a few others....OK

1. GPS
2. Loran
3. DR
4. celestial
5. Radio Direction

Anyone feel free to ad to the list.

What was the question again?

If you're listing methods of navigating, include inertial tracking. And
if Loran is on the list, then Omega should be too.

Sounds like 2 more to me.


I'm not sure if 'piloting' is a seperate method for this list, but
navigating near shore using fixed landmarks is a good method to know.

Isnt that DR?

Joe

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Navigation Question
 

"DD730" wrote in message gy.com...
Compass


I think a compass is used in all types of navigation, to have a compass only
would not provide you with you location.

Joe


Joe wrote:
(Suzy Brody) wrote in message
. com...
Bill, this is a pointless comment and it adds nothing to this topic.

Suzy


Thanks Suzy,

And since your new here I give you a few answers and see if
you can guess a few others....OK

1. GPS
2. Loran
3. DR
4. celestial
5. Radio Direction

Anyone feel free to ad to the list.

Joe

Navigation Question
 

Lifelines Part II
 

So you are saying that lifelines are required equipment for Cal 20 class
racing on the East Coast? I just want to confirm what the claim is before I
check it out.

--AG


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
they are required on this end of the world.

with about 5 or 6 C20s in various stages of
renovation--no lifelines on those, either.

Navigation Question
 

no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece. Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.

6. Lunar Distances


Sorry Mensa boy. Most would consider Lunar distances as celestial,
since the moon is a celistial body ya know. Same with a sun line, star
fix ect.

Joe





Thanks Suzy,

And since your new here I give you a few answers and see if
you can guess a few others....OK

1. GPS
2. Loran
3. DR
4. celestial
5. Radio Direction

Anyone feel free to ad to the list.

Joe

Navigation Question
 

To trianglate off distance features is DR'n IMHO.


that's "piloting", not DR.

Navigation Question
 

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
How about:
Depth Sounder
Bottom from lead line

Bottom mavigation is indeed another way to navigate.

One of my favorites since it serves as a reality check on other methods.

Sound from fog horns & bell/gong buoys.

Good one but very restrictive!

Fortunately I don't have to use this much anymore!

....

Also, "DR" doesn't include Piloting, or using local geographic features.

I dissagree. To trianglate off distance features is DR'n IMHO.

Nah. In any definition I've heard of Dead Reckoning is that it specifically
does not include piloting techniques that would yield a "fix." DR is what you
do between fixes.

For reference, see:
http://pollux.nss.nima.mil/pubs/pubs...s.html?rid=187

Chapter 1 begins with a brief discussion of the difference between various types
of navigation; Chapters 7 and 8 discuss DR and Piloting respectively.

-jeff

Lifelines Part II
 

Nutsy (BB)

If you can post the AA site, it shouldn't be a problem to post the
manufactures site showing a 20hp diesel using 1 gal/hr

A Troll is a Troll even if it under the name of a puppet. Right Nutsy?
Even a drunk knows that. It is only the stupid and weak minded that
think otherwise

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom

Lifelines Part II
 

If you can post the AA site, it shouldn't be a problem to post the
manufactures site showing a 20hp diesel using 1 gal/hr

Who are you talking to?

RB

Lifelines Part II
 

old thom is talking to pink elephants.

If you can post the AA site, it shouldn't be a problem to post the
manufactures site showing a 20hp diesel using 1 gal/hr

ot is so smashed he didn't even notice that the site was quoted.


Who are you talking to?

RB

Lifelines Part II
 

He's full of **** Alan, but it would be interesting to catch him in a
blatant
lie.

"Alan Gomes" wrote in message
news:Iuo_b.380216$xy6.2073718@attbi_s02...
So you are saying that lifelines are required equipment for Cal 20 class
racing on the East Coast? I just want to confirm what the claim is before
I
check it out.

--AG


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
they are required on this end of the world.

with about 5 or 6 C20s in various stages of
renovation--no lifelines on those, either.

Navigation Question
 

JAXAshby wrote:

no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece. Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.

Sorry, Jax... wrong again. You should be proud of your perfect record.

"Celestial" navigation means to use "celestial" bodies. And the lunar
distance is a method of telling time, making the "celestial" bodies
themselves a timepiece. So you are doubly wrong. Your mom would be so proud!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Navigation Question
 

Joe wrote:
DSK wrote in message news:

I'm not sure if 'piloting' is a seperate method for this list, but
navigating near shore using fixed landmarks is a good method to know.


Isnt that DR?

Joe


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I would consider piloting a separate method, but for me it would
involve use of visual bearings, soundings, radar range and bearings,
special cases.
This does not fall under "DR".
Did someone mention DECCA, and is it still in use?

otn

Navigation Question
 

JAXAshby wrote:
no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece. Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.


6. Lunar Distances


Sorry Mensa boy. Most would consider Lunar distances as celestial,
since the moon is a celistial body ya know. Same with a sun line, star
fix ect.

Joe

Sorry Jax, but "celestial" is "of the heavens; of the sky" by observing
the sun, moon, planets, stars. Lunar distances fall into this category,
and a timepiece is NOT the major sticking point.
Celestial navigation was around long before an accurate sea going
timepiece was invented.

otn

Navigation Question
 

otnmbrd wrote:
Did someone mention DECCA, and is it still in use?

Ah! Thanks for the memory jolt. I couldn't think of the name of it,
although I did come up with Omega from the murky depths. Omega has been
gone a while, I think the only Decca chain is still active in the North
Sea oil fields but is closing up shop in the near future.

DSK

Navigation Question
 

DSK wrote:
otnmbrd wrote:

Did someone mention DECCA, and is it still in use?


Ah! Thanks for the memory jolt. I couldn't think of the name of it,
although I did come up with Omega from the murky depths. Omega has been
gone a while, I think the only Decca chain is still active in the North
Sea oil fields but is closing up shop in the near future.

DSK


I only used Omega a couple times in the distant past and don't remember
it as one of my favorites.
Loran A would fall into the "old" no longer used group. (just to mention
it).

otn

Navigation Question
 

Has anyone mentioned the various esoteric methods used by the Polynesians - such
as wave interference patterns, bird observations, deep ocean phosphorescence,
etc.?

And I wonder if anyone made use of compass dip for artic exploration?



"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...


DSK wrote:
otnmbrd wrote:

Did someone mention DECCA, and is it still in use?


Ah! Thanks for the memory jolt. I couldn't think of the name of it,
although I did come up with Omega from the murky depths. Omega has been
gone a while, I think the only Decca chain is still active in the North
Sea oil fields but is closing up shop in the near future.

DSK


I only used Omega a couple times in the distant past and don't remember
it as one of my favorites.
Loran A would fall into the "old" no longer used group. (just to mention
it).

otn

Navigation Question
 

Joe,

In the Northeast, some use "Dumbass Navigation" as practise by Jaxashby
but it really isn't any good. It's a Lie because all the markers are
LIES, nothing that matters is really true.

I guess you can't count that system because it's a LIE.

Ole Thom

Lifelines Part II
 

Jax, misunderstanding once again, quipped: Help, kates? Well, you can =
go on yet another diet.

You, Jax...help you. And I don't need to go on a diet.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Lifelines Part II
 

Jax said: Excelsior has had its own post office for something like 70 =
years.

So can I help the vagaries of the US Postal service? She lives on St. =
Alban's Bay, right around the corner from the place with the ferris =
wheel...Maybe the road there is the femarcation line? =20

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Navigation Question
 

dougies, until I posted you had never even heard of the term "Lunar Distances"
and now you are claiming to be an expert.

wanna show us just which "celestial navigation" course taught just where it is
that includes Lunar Distances as part of the corriculum?


JAXAshby wrote:

no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece.
Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.

Sorry, Jax... wrong again. You should be proud of your perfect record.

"Celestial" navigation means to use "celestial" bodies. And the lunar
distance is a method of telling time, making the "celestial" bodies
themselves a timepiece. So you are doubly wrong. Your mom would be so proud!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Navigation Question
 

guys, until yesterday you never even heard of Lunar Distances and today you are
all experts.

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

JAXAshby wrote:
no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece.
Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.


6. Lunar Distances


Sorry Mensa boy. Most would consider Lunar distances as celestial,
since the moon is a celistial body ya know. Same with a sun line, star
fix ect.

Joe

Sorry Jax, but "celestial" is "of the heavens; of the sky" by observing
the sun, moon, planets, stars. Lunar distances fall into this category,
and a timepiece is NOT the major sticking point.
Celestial navigation was around long before an accurate sea going
timepiece was invented.

otn

Navigation Question
 

old fart, you slipped off the deep end.

Joe,

In the Northeast, some use "Dumbass Navigation" as practise by Jaxashby
but it really isn't any good. It's a Lie because all the markers are
LIES, nothing that matters is really true.

I guess you can't count that system because it's a LIE.

Ole Thom

Navigation Question
 

On 23 Feb 2004 23:40:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

dougies, until I posted you had never even heard of the term "Lunar Distances"
and now you are claiming to be an expert.

wanna show us just which "celestial navigation" course taught just where it is
that includes Lunar Distances as part of the corriculum?

"Practice with "lunars" is certainly an aerobatic flight in the world
of celestial navigation, but those who do it become the very best
celestial navigators, in part because very precise sights are requried
as well as careful analysis"

http://www.starpath.com/catalog/books/1875.htm

If you could navigate to the google page, you will find many of them:)


JAXAshby wrote:

no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece.
Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.

Sorry, Jax... wrong again. You should be proud of your perfect record.

"Celestial" navigation means to use "celestial" bodies. And the lunar
distance is a method of telling time, making the "celestial" bodies
themselves a timepiece. So you are doubly wrong. Your mom would be so proud!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Lifelines Part II
 

here's a map for you kates, with Wayzata in the upper right corner and
Excelsior in the bottom and to the left. not sure why they would have a
Wayzata PO when Excelsior and Minnetonka and Deephaven and others are so much
closer, though Wayzata is a much snazzier address.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...0&addtohistory
=&address=&city=wayzata&state=mn&zipcode=&submit=G et+Map

Jax said: Excelsior has had its own post office for something like 70 =
years.

So can I help the vagaries of the US Postal service? She lives on St. =
Alban's Bay, right around the corner from the place with the ferris =
wheel...Maybe the road there is the femarcation line? =20

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Navigation Question
 

Joe,

Just ignore the Jax static. He can't seem to realize I'm talking about
him, Not to him.

Ole Thom

Navigation Question
 

JAXAshby wrote:
guys, until yesterday you never even heard of Lunar Distances and today you are
all experts.

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

ROFLMAO I've always enjoyed watching your vain attempts to squirm/write
your way out of the messes, you write your way into...... I see nothings
changed and only you are dumb enough to buy into your BS.

In answer to your typically stupid post:
Anyone who has had any type of in depth education on navigation, either
formal or informal, will be aware of "Lunar Distances".
However, since we were not living prior to the 19th century, there is no
need for us to have more than a passing familiarity with "nuts and
bolts" of the particular system to find longitude.
Hence the reason you will find few if any courses which teach "celestial
navigation" which will waste an inordinate amount of time teaching
something which can be performed much more easily, by other methods of
celestial navigation.

G Gotta check my settings ..... thought I had your useless ass, killfiled.

otn

Navigation Question
 

you found one. now, just where is that course given and just how much time is
given to Lunar Distances and just how many people on the planet who know
"celestial navigation" even know that an accurate timepiece is not required?

felton, you are a sophist, a term for a sophomore poly sci major of limited
intelligence trying to explain to the girls why he couldn't get in engineering
college.

dougies, until I posted you had never even heard of the term "Lunar
Distances"
and now you are claiming to be an expert.

wanna show us just which "celestial navigation" course taught just where it
is
that includes Lunar Distances as part of the corriculum?

"Practice with "lunars" is certainly an aerobatic flight in the world
of celestial navigation, but those who do it become the very best
celestial navigators, in part because very precise sights are requried
as well as careful analysis"

http://www.starpath.com/catalog/books/1875.htm

If you could navigate to the google page, you will find many of them:)


JAXAshby wrote:

no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece.
Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.

Sorry, Jax... wrong again. You should be proud of your perfect record.

"Celestial" navigation means to use "celestial" bodies. And the lunar
distance is a method of telling time, making the "celestial" bodies
themselves a timepiece. So you are doubly wrong. Your mom would be so
proud!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Navigation Question
 

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

not one of you guys thought to check King's Point. There may be other places
that teach Lunar Distances, but I have never heard of which. It is a skill
obsolete since the middle of the 19th century when chronometers because cheap
enough to become ubiquitous.

Navigation Question
 

otn, you just explained why celestial navigation is worthless. you also
explained why celestial navigation as the term is used does not include Lunar
Distances.

btw, Lunar Distances were in common use on most ships until about the middle of
the 19th century, not the beginning.

guys, until yesterday you never even heard of Lunar Distances and today you
are
all experts.

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

ROFLMAO I've always enjoyed watching your vain attempts to squirm/write
your way out of the messes, you write your way into...... I see nothings
changed and only you are dumb enough to buy into your BS.

In answer to your typically stupid post:
Anyone who has had any type of in depth education on navigation, either
formal or informal, will be aware of "Lunar Distances".
However, since we were not living prior to the 19th century, there is no
need for us to have more than a passing familiarity with "nuts and
bolts" of the particular system to find longitude.
Hence the reason you will find few if any courses which teach "celestial
navigation" which will waste an inordinate amount of time teaching
something which can be performed much more easily, by other methods of
celestial navigation.

G Gotta check my settings ..... thought I had your useless ass, killfiled.

otn

Navigation Question
 

This from Jocks...who never went to college other than to clean the
toilets

I graduated from one of the largest universities in the country, a school that
if it were where you live it would be the 8th or 9th largest city in the
country.

Navigation Question
 

JAXAshby wrote:
Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.


not one of you guys thought to check King's Point. There may be other places
that teach Lunar Distances, but I have never heard of which. It is a skill
obsolete since the middle of the 19th century when chronometers because cheap
enough to become ubiquitous.



Didn't check and won't check. If KP teaches "Lunar Distances", it will
be as an exercise in history, not as a license necessity.
BTW, it was not a question of chronometers becoming cheap enough .... it
was a question of them becoming reliable enough to be used on a
shipboard environment..... You still need to learn to do more in depth
"Google" searches, before you try to write as if you are an expert.

Navigation Question
 

I was a professional motor mechanic starting the summer before 7th grade (my
father owned the place).

Yeah, OK Jocks...and what was the degree which allowed you to become a
motor mechanic?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

Navigation Question
 

KP did require (as of at least 10 years ago) and may still require coursework
to graduate that includes Lunar Distances.

I didn't learn of chronometers or Lunar Distances by googling. I knew of each
before google came into existence.

Chronometers were damned expensive until mid 19th century and still had
temperature compensation problems until well into the 20th century. These
problems were eventually solved with the introduction of consumer electric
watches. Lunars were still commonly used on commercial vessels (as opposed to
military vessels) until about 150 years ago. The need for celestial nav at all
started to go away by the early 1920's when radio navigation started to come
online with commercial radio stations, which were required to give their call
letters, the city of transmission and frequency every ten minutes.

not one of you guys thought to check King's Point. There may be other
places
that teach Lunar Distances, but I have never heard of which. It is a skill
obsolete since the middle of the 19th century when chronometers because
cheap
enough to become ubiquitous.



Didn't check and won't check. If KP teaches "Lunar Distances", it will
be as an exercise in history, not as a license necessity.
BTW, it was not a question of chronometers becoming cheap enough .... it
was a question of them becoming reliable enough to be used on a
shipboard environment..... You still need to learn to do more in depth
"Google" searches, before you try to write as if you are an expert.

Navigation Question
 

JAXAshby wrote:
otn, you just explained why celestial navigation is worthless. you also
explained why celestial navigation as the term is used does not include Lunar
Distances.

btw, Lunar Distances were in common use on most ships until about the middle of
the 19th century, not the beginning.

Oops .... got my centuries wrong.(meant to say not living prior to the
20th century) Actually, Lunar distances were used to some degree,
through the 19th century, but the need for them became academic, once
the chronometer was readily available.
As for celestial being worthless, I will admit, to someone such as
yourself, who has never learned to use it and/or become proficient in
it's use, it is useless, coupled with the fact, that as "galley boy",
you'd never have the need.
It is, however, included in "celestial navigation", since, once again,
it involves sights of celestial bodies (or are you also unaware of the
methods used to obtain the basic information used in lunar distances?).

Go back to googling, Jax .... as always,the response to your responses
quickly become exercises in talking to a brain dead Cocker Spaniel (My
apologies to the Cocker Spaniel owners out there).

otn