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The boat project continues
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit, an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system. My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make sure it all works together. One year to go! Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case? Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing? M. Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over the next winter. |
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If you can afford it be generous. Your heart will feel better for longer
than it would just getting a few $$ Cheers Michael wrote: Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit, an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system. My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make sure it all works together. One year to go! Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case? Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing? M. Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over the next winter. |
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What size/type sail goes on the RF?
Scotty "Michael" wrote in message ... Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit, an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system. My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make sure it all works together. One year to go! Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case? Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing? M. Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over the next winter. |
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I had thought a big 140 to 160% but it turns out with my boat and my style
of sailing (single watchstander cruising) a 120 is better. The next one back I had thought would be a 110% but it turned out a 80% was a better choice. That one is hank on and is interchangeable with the storm jib. But both are self deploying from the cockpit. The setup allows space to put the radar up high which I preferred and by changing the baby stay and two aft leaning shrouds to four side shrouds cleared space on the deck, allowed room for the stays'l gear etc. I like to reef down each night no matter what and religiously reef down plenty far in advance of any impending higher winds. For that reason we left the main halyard winches on the mast including the reefing gear. (Two deep slab reefs). This cleared up some space under the dodger which was needed for the stays'l jib sheet winches, and the mains'l controls. Outhaul and power vang being the most used. It also kept the runing rigging lines of the cockpit hatch turtle which means room for something else like solar panels. Each idea I presented was discussed at length with riggers and sailmakers and then had me standing in the conference room steering a tiller with my butt and reaching out and to the sides for the various lines. Then we repaired to the boat and did the same. They explained how they would modify and improve my ideas each step of the way and had me act out using the various lines then measured where the equipment would go, where I wouldstand and so forth. A real custom fitting. Thenwe all went for espresso although some of the espresso was microbrew! The one thing I didn't do was put steps up and down the mast. just two about four feet below the top so once I haul up I can stand there while doing whatever. Neat idea. Anyway at some point I'llbe back from the next freighter run and there will be photos of how it turns out. Phase One is officially begun! M. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What size/type sail goes on the RF? Scotty "Michael" wrote in message ... Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit, an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system. My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make sure it all works together. One year to go! Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case? Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing? M. Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over the next winter. |
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Michael noted: The setup allows space to put the radar up high
You're sticking your radar on the mast? tsk tsk...there goes your = balance.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Not at all. Might be true on a lighter weight hull but it had no effect on
Se Fjern at 26' and even less on Se Lange at 31'. As I've learned height is everything. The radars placed low down or on short poles are useful for harbor entrances and the like, not so useful on open ocean situations. In this case I have 'weight below to spare. Windage increase would be even more of an issue but even that is negligible. I added radar to begin with because of conditions up here in the Pacific NW. Lots of fog during the best of the summer sailing system is not uncommon. With the original 12" radome I found life a lot easier. On the trans-Pac I set the guard system and it would come on every 15 minutes, do 20 turns and alert me if some target showed. Like an auto-tilller it's an extra crew member. Down low it's in the troughs too much and tends to beep off on signals from the tops of swells and waves. Reduce the seas state sensitivity and it degrades performance in areas needed. By adding height you make it a useful tool. With the original radar I refined the settings based on actual targets. The new one is 18" array and works even better. What I would NOT do is put up a three or four foot array on a smaller hull. That would upset balance and be a windage issue. The only thing new this time is a swinging type radar mount. A neat thing about my present job is the ability to use radar constantly. While I don't have the bells and whistles of the big 10cm and 3cm Sperry's I am very comfortable with the use of radar. It's one of the most useful support tools out there. But as with GPS I still rely on the basics. The Mark I, Mod 1 Eyeball System is to radar as good navigation is to the GPS. M. "katysails" wrote in message ... Michael noted: The setup allows space to put the radar up high You're sticking your radar on the mast? tsk tsk...there goes your balance.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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The boat project continues... radar
Michael wrote:
Not at all. Might be true on a lighter weight hull but it had no effect on Se Fjern at 26' and even less on Se Lange at 31'. As I've learned height is everything. The radars placed low down or on short poles are useful for harbor entrances and the like, not so useful on open ocean situations. Well, how far do you need to see? Our little old (late 1980s vintage) Furuno mounted 12' above the waterline can pick up a 30' sailboat or a low sandy coastline at 16 miles. We had a good chance to get it dialed in (and you're right, experience makes a BIG difference) on our last cruise up Pamlico to the Chesapeake and back. In this case I have 'weight below to spare. Windage increase would be even more of an issue but even that is negligible. Windage plus the tendency of lines & sails to snag on the thing. I'd put it aft especially if you are already putting on an arch. I added radar to begin with because of conditions up here in the Pacific NW. Lots of fog during the best of the summer sailing system is not uncommon. With the original 12" radome I found life a lot easier. On the trans-Pac I set the guard system and it would come on every 15 minutes, do 20 turns and alert me if some target showed. Like an auto-tilller it's an extra crew member. Down low it's in the troughs too much and tends to beep off on signals from the tops of swells and waves. Reduce the seas state sensitivity and it degrades performance in areas needed. Very true, but that's one aspect of performance that modern sets are much better. Having a computer analyze the return signal can tell you all sorts of things that can't be seen by the Mark 1 eyeball. I don't have very much experience at all with the new fancy radar sets but at some point we are going to upgrade. By adding height you make it a useful tool. With the original radar I refined the settings based on actual targets. How high do you have to go to make it 'useful'? I think the latter point is mor important, to have a reliable set that you have experience with real returns, so that you know what the radar is showing you. Too many people think of it as magic and only turn it on in foul weather. One of the best ways to use it IMHO is around commercial shipping, it tells you unequivocably what their speed & course are. I also believe in taking visual bearings but it's nice to have the backup. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Michael" wrote in message ... Not at all. Might be true on a lighter weight hull but it had no effect on Se Fjern at 26' and even less on Se Lange at 31' Have you told us what the make, and model your new boat is? As you know, I have a particular fondness for the Centaur. It was the boat that I did my first cross channel crossing in. I'll never forget the land disappearing into the darkness, and the first experience of being surrounded by water - as far as the eye could see. The next morning, the skipper suggested a shot of rum. I assumed that the old salt knew what he was talking about - so I ignored my instincts and accepted his rum - I won't *ever* make that mistake again!! John, I know that you are reading this. It's about time that you explained why you thought that a Pussers rum would be good at 6 am!!! Regards Donal -- |
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Glad to hear from you again.
Michael wrote: Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the outcome. I guess staying home to do it yourself isn't an option.... We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit, an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, Sounds like sensible choices up to the last... I have heard good things about Anderson winches but never used one myself, did not know they made bottom acting ones. The only bottom action winches I have used are quite old fashioned and only slightly better than nothing... although very decorative. same mast but refitted complete with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new boom plus a power vang. Power? You mean hydraulic? The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. Putting the cart before the horse IMHO. Where the lines are led shouldn't impact the sail handling decision making, other than where the crew goes to carry out the actions decided on. One shop is designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system. That sounds expensive. Why not put the radar on the arch too? We are getting some custom stainless work done on the tugboat, so far have not been handed a bill but I know it is not going to be cheap. More to be done of course. The fun never stops. Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn how to do boats. That sounds kinda dumb, unless his work is not worth anything. The days of free apprenticing are over. My company has to pay wages to mechanics helpers who don't know a screwdriver from a monkey wrench, but hopefully they are learning while they work. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case? Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing? My advice would be don't "keep her just in case." In case of what?!? Sell if anybody will give you a reasonable price, donate if not. If you're considering giving it to the indentured apprentice, then work it out that he'll pay for it one way or another, or the boat will come to a bad end. People do not value free things. But it's a charitable thought to help somebody else get started. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Nope I'm much better at making money than being a boat builder or craftsman
and I sure can't get anywhere near the level of these people up in Port Townsend. And the cost is lessened as they buy at dealers prices. For example the power vang (the solid rod looking kind with a control line that provides support as well as down pressure) boom, fittings and more will run 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of buying it myself. Where I got carried away a la' racing style was in the main sail. With the new boom I added all the sail shaping lines you can think of (full batten loose foot). I don't race per se but I've learned a hell of a lot on making my sails more efficient by watching and helping out on their boats. M. "DSK" wrote in message ... Glad to hear from you again. Michael wrote: Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the outcome. I guess staying home to do it yourself isn't an option.... We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit, an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, Sounds like sensible choices up to the last... I have heard good things about Anderson winches but never used one myself, did not know they made bottom acting ones. The only bottom action winches I have used are quite old fashioned and only slightly better than nothing... although very decorative. same mast but refitted complete with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new boom plus a power vang. Power? You mean hydraulic? The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. Putting the cart before the horse IMHO. Where the lines are led shouldn't impact the sail handling decision making, other than where the crew goes to carry out the actions decided on. One shop is designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system. That sounds expensive. Why not put the radar on the arch too? We are getting some custom stainless work done on the tugboat, so far have not been handed a bill but I know it is not going to be cheap. More to be done of course. The fun never stops. Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn how to do boats. That sounds kinda dumb, unless his work is not worth anything. The days of free apprenticing are over. My company has to pay wages to mechanics helpers who don't know a screwdriver from a monkey wrench, but hopefully they are learning while they work. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case? Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing? My advice would be don't "keep her just in case." In case of what?!? Sell if anybody will give you a reasonable price, donate if not. If you're considering giving it to the indentured apprentice, then work it out that he'll pay for it one way or another, or the boat will come to a bad end. People do not value free things. But it's a charitable thought to help somebody else get started. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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