Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over
the next winter.

If you can afford it be generous. Your heart will feel better for longer
than it would just getting a few $$

Cheers

Michael wrote:

Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over
the next winter.

What size/type sail goes on the RF?

Scotty

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the
bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a
new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make
sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over
the next winter.

Glad to hear from you again.

Michael wrote:

Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome.

I guess staying home to do it yourself isn't an option....


We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches,

Sounds like sensible choices up to the last... I have heard good things about
Anderson winches but never used one myself, did not know they made bottom acting
ones. The only bottom action winches I have used are quite old fashioned and
only slightly better than nothing... although very decorative.


same mast but refitted complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a new
boom plus a power vang.

Power? You mean hydraulic?


The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late.

Putting the cart before the horse IMHO. Where the lines are led shouldn't impact
the sail handling decision making, other than where the crew goes to carry out
the actions decided on.

One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system.

That sounds expensive. Why not put the radar on the arch too? We are getting
some custom stainless work done on the tugboat, so far have not been handed a
bill but I know it is not going to be cheap. More to be done of course. The fun
never stops.



Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to learn
how to do boats.

That sounds kinda dumb, unless his work is not worth anything. The days of free
apprenticing are over. My company has to pay wages to mechanics helpers who
don't know a screwdriver from a monkey wrench, but hopefully they are learning
while they work.


I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

My advice would be don't "keep her just in case." In case of what?!? Sell if
anybody will give you a reasonable price, donate if not. If you're considering
giving it to the indentured apprentice, then work it out that he'll pay for it
one way or another, or the boat will come to a bad end. People do not value free
things. But it's a charitable thought to help somebody else get started.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

What's a bottom action winch? Can't find anything on google.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the
bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a
new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make
sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens over
the next winter.

That's wench, and it's Bill.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What's a bottom action winch? Can't find anything on google.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the
bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non
roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on
the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for
a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted
complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a
new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch
system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make
sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and
anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What
do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in
case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens
over
the next winter.

I had thought a big 140 to 160% but it turns out with my boat and my style
of sailing (single watchstander cruising) a 120 is better. The next one
back I had thought would be a 110% but it turned out a 80% was a better
choice. That one is hank on and is interchangeable with the storm jib. But
both are self deploying from the cockpit. The setup allows space to put the
radar up high which I preferred and by changing the baby stay and two aft
leaning shrouds to four side shrouds cleared space on the deck, allowed room
for the stays'l gear etc. I like to reef down each night no matter what and
religiously reef down plenty far in advance of any impending higher winds.
For that reason we left the main halyard winches on the mast including the
reefing gear. (Two deep slab reefs). This cleared up some space under the
dodger which was needed for the stays'l jib sheet winches, and the mains'l
controls. Outhaul and power vang being the most used. It also kept the
runing rigging lines of the cockpit hatch turtle which means room for
something else like solar panels. Each idea I presented was discussed at
length with riggers and sailmakers and then had me standing in the
conference room steering a tiller with my butt and reaching out and to the
sides for the various lines. Then we repaired to the boat and did the same.
They explained how they would modify and improve my ideas each step of the
way and had me act out using the various lines then measured where the
equipment would go, where I wouldstand and so forth. A real custom fitting.
Thenwe all went for espresso although some of the espresso was microbrew!

The one thing I didn't do was put steps up and down the mast. just two
about four feet below the top so once I haul up I can stand there while
doing whatever. Neat idea.

Anyway at some point I'llbe back from the next freighter run and there will
be photos of how it turns out. Phase One is officially begun!

M.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What size/type sail goes on the RF?

Scotty

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the
bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non
roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on
the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for
a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted
complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a
new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch
system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make
sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and
anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What
do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in
case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens
over
the next winter.

Nope I'm much better at making money than being a boat builder or craftsman
and I sure can't get anywhere near the level of these people up in Port
Townsend. And the cost is lessened as they buy at dealers prices. For
example the power vang (the solid rod looking kind with a control line that
provides support as well as down pressure) boom, fittings and more will run
1/3 to 1/2 the cost of buying it myself.

Where I got carried away a la' racing style was in the main sail. With the
new boom I added all the sail shaping lines you can think of (full batten
loose foot). I don't race per se but I've learned a hell of a lot on making
my sails more efficient by watching and helping out on their boats.

M.

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Glad to hear from you again.

Michael wrote:

Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome.

I guess staying home to do it yourself isn't an option....


We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non
roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on
the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for
a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches,

Sounds like sensible choices up to the last... I have heard good things
about
Anderson winches but never used one myself, did not know they made bottom
acting
ones. The only bottom action winches I have used are quite old fashioned
and
only slightly better than nothing... although very decorative.


same mast but refitted complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a
new
boom plus a power vang.

Power? You mean hydraulic?


The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late.

Putting the cart before the horse IMHO. Where the lines are led shouldn't
impact
the sail handling decision making, other than where the crew goes to carry
out
the actions decided on.

One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch
system.

That sounds expensive. Why not put the radar on the arch too? We are
getting
some custom stainless work done on the tugboat, so far have not been
handed a
bill but I know it is not going to be cheap. More to be done of course.
The fun
never stops.



Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and
anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats.

That sounds kinda dumb, unless his work is not worth anything. The days of
free
apprenticing are over. My company has to pay wages to mechanics helpers
who
don't know a screwdriver from a monkey wrench, but hopefully they are
learning
while they work.


I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in
case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

My advice would be don't "keep her just in case." In case of what?!? Sell
if
anybody will give you a reasonable price, donate if not. If you're
considering
giving it to the indentured apprentice, then work it out that he'll pay
for it
one way or another, or the boat will come to a bad end. People do not
value free
things. But it's a charitable thought to help somebody else get started.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Single straight handle that sticks out at the bottom. One or two speed
versions. Self tailing on the top.

Check www.woodenboat.org for pictures in the store section. Those are
Murrays. Anderson's similar but in stainless.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What's a bottom action winch? Can't find anything on google.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the
bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non
roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on
the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place for
a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time), some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted
complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and a
new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch
system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make
sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and
anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern. What
do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in
case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens
over
the next winter.

That's what I thought, but I wondered that you can't make full 360* turns.
,in other words you always have to ratchet it. Why do you want those? Just
for the aesthetics? Cool web site, BTW.

Scotty

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Single straight handle that sticks out at the bottom. One or two speed
versions. Self tailing on the top.

Check www.woodenboat.org for pictures in the store section. Those are
Murrays. Anderson's similar but in stainless.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What's a bottom action winch? Can't find anything on google.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
Had a good sit down with the folks at the rigging shop today plus the
sailmaker and a couple other crafters. Back to work now to pay for
the
outcome. We're going with the roller furling forestay out on the
bowsprit,
an attachment point for the cruising assymetrical spinnaker, a non
roller
furling self tacking stays'l. (this leaves room for the radar unit on
the
mast which didn't work with the pure solent rig and provides a place
for
a
storm jib for those of us who make sail changes in plenty of time),
some
Murray or Anderson bottom action winches, same mast but refitted
complete
with everything to include LED lights, full batten loose foot main and
a
new
boom plus a power vang. The baby stay and two lower shrouds will
become
four lower shrouds to make more room on deck. And the wheel steering
is
coming off and the tiller is going back on! Most everything is
handled
from
the cockpit except the halyards and reefing gear. I did this to
ensure
that
job would be down in plenty of time and not left too late. One shop is
designing a new pulpit/rail system and a new aft pulpit/stern arch
system.
My friends at the rigging shop are coordinating the whole plan to make
sure
it all works together. One year to go!

Meanwhile there's this young sailor who goes out with everyone and
anyone
every chance he gets. Helps out in the refit yard with no pay just to
learn
how to do boats. I wonder if he'd like to carry on with Se Fjern.
What
do
you think? Donate for a tax write off? Sell? Keep her for just in
case?
Or start some one else off in this wonderful world of sailing?

M.



Most of that will be ready for this summers sailing the rest happens
over
the next winter.