"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"Donal" wrote in message
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Joe has told us that he uses his VHF, in fog, as his "hearing" lookout.

He is stupid enough to believe that he complies with Rule 5 of the
CollRegs
which state:-
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"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper lookout by sight and
hearing as
well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing
circumstances
and
conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the
risk
of
collision."
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What do the experts say about the use of a VHF in fog?

Guess what, they say that Joe is a menace! Here's a link!


http://www.seamanship.co.uk/M_Notice...ion/pdf/MGN167
.pdf

"Although the use of VHF radio may be justified on occasion in collision
avoidance, the
provisions of the Collision Regulations should remain uppermost, as
misunderstandings
can arise even where the language of communication is not a problem."

And Joe's incompetence is further demonstrated by this little snippet:-

"There have been a significant number of
collisions where subsequent investigation has
found that at some stage before impact, one or
both parties were using VHF radio in an
attempt to avoid collision. The use of VHF
radio in these circumstances is not always
helpful and may even prove to be dangerous."

So, Joe's use of the VHF is "dangerous"!

The UK's Marine & Coastguard Agency obviously think that Joe represents
a
Clear and Imminent threat to American sailors.

Perhaps Jeff, Joe, or otn, can produce a link which shows that the US
Coastguard thinks that Joe's behaviour is legal???


Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahaaaaaa!

Regards


Donal
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Donal your name calling is quite childish.

"...fire with fire"!

I am conducting this discussion according to *your* rules.


The rule states
"as well as by all available means appropriate " VHF Radar ect. If
you can not hear anything but your vessel then listening is not one of
the available means that would be appropriate to avoid collision is
it?.


You are not even trying to hear anything!!! You Also omitted the first part
of the rule!

"***Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper lookout by sight and
hearing*** as well as by all available means appropriate ...."

Furthermore, is it impossible to hear anything because you are going at full
belt? If you reduced your speed from 25 kts, to say 6 kts, would a proper
lookout be able to hear other fog horns?


You seem very willing to accept the bit of Rule 5 that start with "as well
as....". Why don't you accept the bit that starts with "Every vessel
**shall** .."?

The UK's Marine & Coastguard Agency (MCA) is the official body that is
responsible for maritime safety in UK waters. They have issued a bulletin
that highlights the dangers of your approach to navigation. I've posted a
link to the bulletin,
http://www.seamanship.co.uk/M_Notice...ion/pdf/MGN167
, and you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it. The MCA have quoted
examples of unnecessary collisions that were caused by people who, like you,
were so irresponsible that they used VHF as their "hearing" watch.

Perhaps you didn't read the link?


Regards


Donal
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