Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -

20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33 ft
boat!


That's fast for your WL alright. What was the windspeed and how does it
compare to your polars?

Cheers

Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -

20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33 ft
boat!



C'mon get her powered up like this:

http://www.swanyachtcharter.co.uk/im...07_sail11k.jpg
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg

Cheers

DSK wrote:


For most boats, the polars show the highest VMG in the 10 to 15 knot
wind range and sailing conditions of less than 20 degrees of heel. As I
said, narrow boats like to heel more but I'd be surprised if it were
that much more. I'm not very familiar with the last generation IACC boat
polars, maybe there are some on line.



And what do these polars show at 20 knots? Most polars I've seen don't
show heel angles -yours do?

Cheers

The lack of wake might mean they are so far in front... No I've nver
bought anything from them. You?

Cheers

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:58:25 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:



No you've got it wrong Oz, just like these guys

http://www.yachtsoft.com/IMAGES/eagle1.jpg



Yeah well, that's why they're at the back of the fleet with no-one
behind em.

Hey, that's a good site..do you deal with them?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

It would be a big oval with a fake chimney to catch the wind. Perhaps
the polars have a red region where the crew choke on the fumes?

Cheers

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:52:45 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:

And what do these polars show at 20 knots? Most polars I've seen don't
show heel angles -yours do?

Cheers


Hmm interestin set of polars for a tugboat..would it just be a circle
or would it be an oval?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?

Yes, it's a F33.7.

In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?

On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25 kts.



Most of the Bennys I've sailed like to carry more sail than less but
will require a quick hand on the traveller to keep them tracking thru
a gust.

The guy who used to helm for me, wouldn't reef until about 23Kts + on a
beat. IMO, that cost us dearly in the first couple of races. WE did quite
well once I became confident enough to take over sail trimming. However,
later I tried helming as well, and we slid back down the field.




We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was
so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the
day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33
ft
boat!

A couple of times?
Hell Donal, if you know it works, DO IT EVERY TIME!
With minor changes to suit te conditions of course


We need a reasonable offshore breeze to do it. The water has to be almost
flat. That really means a Northerly, which isn't that common.

Regards

Donal
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On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25 kts.



Holy crap!!!!!!!


RB

"Nav" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -

20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was
so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the
day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33
ft
boat!



C'mon get her powered up like this:

http://www.swanyachtcharter.co.uk/im...07_sail11k.jpg
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg

What sort of angle is the boat in the second link?

We sail quite cofortably at that degree of heel. In fact, I don't think
that we have much choice in those conditions. I do try not to have any
more than that.


Oz,
To answer your comment about the traveller - unfortunately, I cannot make
it out. Either poor eyesight, or a poor screen!

In those conditions, I usually have the traveller on, or maybe slightly
above, the centreline.

Are you suggesting that I should lower it? Wouldn't that depower the sail?



Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.


In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25 kts.



18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?

And that is between 25 -30 degrees?

Cheers

Donal wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:


Oz wrote in message ...


On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:



That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -


20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.



Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was

so

fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the

day....

They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33

ft

boat!



C'mon get her powered up like this:

http://www.swanyachtcharter.co.uk/im...07_sail11k.jpg
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg


What sort of angle is the boat in the second link?

We sail quite cofortably at that degree of heel. In fact, I don't think
that we have much choice in those conditions. I do try not to have any
more than that.


Oz,
To answer your comment about the traveller - unfortunately, I cannot make
it out. Either poor eyesight, or a poor screen!

In those conditions, I usually have the traveller on, or maybe slightly
above, the centreline.

Are you suggesting that I should lower it? Wouldn't that depower the sail?



Regards


Donal
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