I mean are you kidding yourself racing a sailboat?? What's your max
speed on a mono... 8 kts?

My old Merit 22 went 13 downwind one night.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

On a trailer, on the freeway?

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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I mean are you kidding yourself racing a sailboat?? What's your max
speed on a mono... 8 kts?

My old Merit 22 went 13 downwind one night.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Jon,

Speed is a very subjective thing. A 4 minute mile is damn fast, if
you're walking!

Ole Thom

"Nav" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
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And that is between 25 -30 degrees?



Is it?

Say 1' of freeboard - I'd guess that's nearing 30 degrees. What do you
think?

It could be. I'm unlikey to be able to check it for a couple of months.

I've looked at the picture again, and zoomed in on it. The travellor is
much lower than I usually have it in those conditions.

A few years ago I was told that the boom should be on the centreline. Did I
misunderstand, or was the advice just plain wrong?

Are there any conditions where the boom should be on the centreline?

This has really got me thinking. I've never been completely happy with my
upwind performance and I've put it down to relatively cheap sails.


Regards


Donal
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I guess, but to get all freaked out about racing a sailboat seems out of
wack.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Jon,

Speed is a very subjective thing. A 4 minute mile is damn fast, if
you're walking!

Ole Thom

No, but I'm a heel.

Oz wrote in message ...
On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:53:33 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

I guess, but to get all freaked out about racing a sailboat seems out of
wack.
Jon, you have no soul.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Donal,

From the middle to the back ender: Advice for what's its worth, upwind
sail trim.

I set the jenney first. The car to wind conditions Normal air---car set
to put the sheet at an angle to spilt the angle of the clew Hvy
Air----farther back, Lgt air___forward. This is to increase the twist
in hvy air and release pressure aloft; lgt air----baggy shape

Sheet tension; enough tension to draw the the 150% jenny to within the
distance of about two fist from touching the end of the spreaders Normal
Air. This will increase in Hvy air slightly as you ease the sheet and
open the leech. This will increase in lgt air also but the leech will
remain closed

MAIN SAIL;
Normal air shape; Upper batten should be parallel to the boom.
Boom should be released with the traveller into the slot until the main
starts to backwind at the tack edge, then should be drawn in to just
remove the back wind bubble

If this creates a heeling greater than 20 degrees I start to increase
the twist on the jenny while watching the speed on the speed-o-meter. If
heeling is decrease without speed loss, I increase twist in MAIN to
match jenny. If I lose speed, I'll increase sheet tension on jenny until
back winding Main just a little and accepting the increase in heel.

All this is being done watching the helm, which should remain neutral
and on course. ( This is where you should be able to trim course
adjustments with the traveller))

OK Donal, my friend, I've bared my soul to the group. Let's hope we get
some help to move us up in our fleets without buying a new boat (I like
my PH) You on the other hand have a damn fast boat under you. Pay
attention to the comments of the sailors in the group.

Ole Thom

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote:
No, but I'm a heel.

End of the loaf, are you??

LP

That's fast for your WL alright. What was the windspeed and how does it
compare to your polars?



Donal wrote:
Wind was about 17kts(T). Polars say 6.6 kts. The water was unusually flat.

The sea state can make a HUGE difference.


I think that you know the Solent, so I'll explain the circumstances. Maybe
you can make sense of them.

We were returning from Cherbourg. The wind had been WSW, F3-4-5.....
absolutely perfect. The wind eased as we approached the Isle of Wight.
The fun started shortly after we rounded Bembridge ledge. The wind moved
round to WNW, or NW, and built. Thus we had relatively flat water (12").
Suddenly, we were sailing a dinghy. I took the mainsheet, and I was working
like mad.

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if I should have been using the
traveller, instead of the mainsheet. However, the travellor isn't as easy
to control.


Having a good traveller is a necessity. You might make up for it
(somewhat) with a powerful vang, but most racer/cruisers don't have
enough leverage on the vang.

Remember that leach tension is very important. If the traveller remains
set (or the main sheeting point is fixed) and the vang is loose, when
the mainsheet is eased then the boom is going to rise, the sail will
twist, leach tension is shot (which can affect the jib shape)... the
only thing worse is to let the boat heel too far and spin out.

Having the vang very tight will help this problem, but using a traveller
is better. It's easier to control the sail twist & leach tension. Do you
have end-boom sheet or one of those miserable cabin top ones?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

No. But close...I'm on the toe rail.

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote:
No, but I'm a heel.

End of the loaf, are you??

LP